[BlindTlk] {Spam?} Re: [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
Ericka
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Fri Mar 12 03:45:22 UTC 2021
No problem!!!!
Ericka Nelson
> On Mar 11, 2021, at 9:41 PM, Danielle Ledet via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Allen and Ericka, I am black and was quite offended by Ray's
> comments. Thanks for standing up for what is right.
>
>> On 3/11/21, Alan Wheeler via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you for being kinder than I started out being in my initial response.
>> Sometimes I shoot from the hip, even though I'm smart enough to know that
>> can often backfire.
>>
>>
>> "If you want to practice anything, practice knowing you can do whatever you
>> set your complete mind to." Victor Wooten "The Music Lesson"
>>
>> My blog: http://doingitdeeper.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2021, at 7:28 AM, Lauren Merryfield via BlindTlk
>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Ray,
>>> Certainly you would be missed if you gave or sent your resignation. Our
>>> personal political stance is not what makes one a Federationist. Your
>>> supporting blindness-related philosophy and work are what is important,
>>> and you do contribute to that kind of thing.
>>>
>>> Politically, the extremes of either left or right can be dangerous; the
>>> left isn't worse than the right and the right isn't worse than the left.
>>> But those extremes are not what make up most NFB-ers.
>>>
>>> There would be no NFB without all of us--a diverse movement of blind
>>> persons, and some nonblind among us.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>> Lauren
>>>
>>> "What a power is love! It is the most wonderful, the greatest of all
>>> living powers. Love gives life to the lifeless. Love lights a flame in the
>>> heart that is cold.Love brings hope to the hopeless and gladdens the
>>> hearts of the sorrowful. In the world of existence there is indeed no
>>> greater power than the power of love."
>>> Abdu’l-Baha
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
>>> via BlindTlk
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:22 AM
>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Raymond Foret Jr <rforet7706 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>
>>> Nor am I happy with the leftist direction the NFB has taken. To speak
>>> frankly, I am very concerned to see the NFB support a socialist
>>> organization like Black Lives Matter (who wants to destroy America) and
>>> this really is almost a step too far for me. As the recent years have
>>> gone by, I have seen the NFB fall backwards little by little with respect
>>> to ground we supposedly gained. While it is true to say that we should
>>> not always be in an armed camp mentality, neither should we forget how to
>>> fight if we have to. OF late, this seems to have escaped us. I now have
>>> some cause to wonder whether a person like me really can find a place in
>>> the NFB as it now exists. I dare speculate that if I myself tendered my
>>> resignation, I would not be missed either very much or even at all: after
>>> all, I contribute nothing to the organization either monetarily or
>>> otherwise. Don’t mistake me. I agree with the philosophy that the
>>> federation teaches (or maybe I should say it this way, the philosophy that
>>> it taught when I was at the Louisiana Center); but now, I question
>>> whether a blind political conservative like me really belongs in the
>>> federation at all. I dare speculate that if I today submitted my
>>> membership resignation and gave my reasons, Mark would most likely not
>>> even bother to respond.
>>>
>>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>>>
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the
>>> blind:
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow, very astute.
>>>>
>>>> The NFB has its problems, but I still think the philosophy it was founded
>>>> upon is the best thing going out there. The organization itself has gone
>>>> through many changes, and reflects the trends of the culture, as we are a
>>>> cross-section that represents the culture.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'm not happy with the left-leaning trend the organization
>>>> has taken, that it has forgotten a lot of the bedrock philosophy that
>>>> made it a great organization, but the whole focus should be on issues
>>>> faced by blind Americans.
>>>>
>>>> While the blind driver challenge, is glitzy, raises our profile, and
>>>> highlights a blind entrepreneur, (which I think is great) the other
>>>> shouldn't be dropped. Why do we still have our 30 percent employment
>>>> rate, even after all these years? Posting government and legal jobs
>>>> isn't going to help the average person get a job to earn table money
>>>> while they go to school. I think we've gone down too many rabbit trails
>>>> and can't keep up with all of them.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if we don't care for the regime that is in place, why do we sit
>>>> complacently by and let them in year after year? I'm not by any means
>>>> stating any dissatisfaction with anyone, but just saying, why, in our
>>>> history, don't we have people running against the groomed candidate? Why
>>>> don't we have others running against the incumbent in elections?
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mary McGee
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:02 AM
>>>> To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List' <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Mary McGee <mmcatitude at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> Hello, All,
>>>> I don't use a guide dog. If you do, fine! What I'm going to say will
>>>> offend some people, so I will apologize in advance and say please stop
>>>> reading if you believe the NFB is always right.
>>>> It doesn't matter if the contract allowed for repo of the dog when
>>>> there appears to be no proof that it was overweight or needs shots!
>>>> There must be proof! And it appears this isn't the first instance of
>>>> disregard for consumers of this facility.
>>>> I'm also a survivor of sexual abuse at an NFB National Convention. I
>>>> believe whether it's guide dog repo or sexual abuse, the organization
>>>> generally was to "investigate" but take no positive action. I can public
>>>> an email where Mark Riccobono refuses to give me an appointment to
>>>> discuss my experience until his "investigation" is finished.
>>>> The NFB has taken people's money for years. I really cares about
>>>> donations and dues! It's leaders live pretty lavishly. Something needs
>>>> to change and the answer isn't in the Blind Driver Challenge!
>>>> Maybe we, the membership, need to vote out every national and state
>>>> leader and board member. But, oh yes, we can't, because they're
>>>> hand-picked by the establishment that perpetuates itself with its
>>>> disfavor of guide dogs, women, and other marginalized people.
>>>> In Iowa, there has been some media attention about the sexual abuse.
>>>> Perhaps there needs to be some of that regarding the guide dog problems
>>>> that no one wants to address. The only way reach an organization that
>>>> doesn't want to notice is to hurt its funding. Media attention can help
>>>> with that. After all, look what happened to the Catholic Church!
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Mary L. McGee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindTlk [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Roanna Bacchus via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:47 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus <r-bacchus at outlook.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> Hi Peter and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I hope all of you are doing well. An individual with a disability whether
>>>> it is blindness, cancer, diabetes, or any other conditions should be
>>>> allowed to use a guide dog for independent travel. I am proud of everyone
>>>> who has chosen to leave Nagdu or the National Federation Of The Blind
>>>> regardless of the reason. The President and Nagdu's Board of Directors
>>>> should be ashamed of their behavior concerning this issue. I hope that
>>>> both Les and Reverend Blake receive a personal apology from Southeastern
>>>> Guide Dogs and the Nfb.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2021 10:56 AM, Peter Donahue via BlindTlk
>>>> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like nothing more than delaying tactics.
>>>> Whenever a serious issue comes to NAGDU’s attention the line, “We need to
>>>> investigate all angles” is use to brush these matters aside and nothing
>>>> happens to address the issue. Marion is not the only one who left NAGDU
>>>> because of their lack of action and unwillingness to aggressively address
>>>> important issues for guide dog users beyond accessibility. Access for
>>>> guide dog users is only one side of the coin. The other concerns guide
>>>> dog training, it’s current practices and the need for serious changes to
>>>> be made to increase training opportunities for blind persons wishing to
>>>> use a guide dog for independent travel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: BlindTlk <blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
>>>> via BlindTlk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 4:40 AM
>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Judy Jones <sonshines59 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] [BlTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response
>>>> concerning the recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marion,
>>>>
>>>> It's because of the current trouble that we need you more than ever.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for all your support through the years. We all have benefised
>>>> in ways we may not know.
>>>>
>>>> Seed-planters like yourself don't often see the results of their work,
>>>> but results are there, nevertheless.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Judy
>>>> sent from the Android BrailleSense Polaris
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Marion Gwizdala, via BlindTlk
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> ,flagdu at nfbnet.org,blindtlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 08:00 PM
>>>> Subject: [BlindTlk] FW: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the
>>>> recent discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realized that my following message did not get posted to the list;
>>>> rather, it went to Raul. I am forwarding it so there is a record of the
>>>> facts, not the revision presented.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>>
>>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Marion Gwizdala,
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:20 PM
>>>> To: 'Raul A. Gallegos - NAGDU'
>>>> Subject: RE: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent
>>>> discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to correct the record of what President Gallegos has stated in his
>>>> message; otherwise, I tacitly agree that what he is stating is fact and
>>>> it is not! In this message, President Gallegos states, "we try to
>>>> investigate all angles from all sides to gather as much information as
>>>> possible". As I have already stated, his first reaction was "I need to
>>>> call Southeastern". Then what did President Gallegos do for the rest of
>>>> the evening. Well, I received several text messages from apple with one
>>>> time passcodes because he was working on the NAGDU app and needed those
>>>> passcodes to reset the password. Did he gather any information? Did he
>>>> contact Rev. Blake? This is directly contradictory to the assertion he
>>>> made in which he states, "I would like to personally reassure everyone
>>>> reading that I very much care and so does the NAGDU board of directors."
>>>> If he really cared he would have followed up immediately. He never called
>>>> me to follow-up and get her contact information until Saturday evening.
>>>> Did he call her on Saturday? Did he call her on Sunday? Did he call her
>>>> on Moneday? It was not until today, llikely with a great deal of pressure
>>>> mounting from his membership that he reached out to Rev. Blake.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will also remind everyone that this caring board of directors discussed
>>>> the Les Demers case several months ago and chose not to pursue it; in the
>>>> words of one member of the board I spoke with, "we felt it was all
>>>> opinion". Really? That is how decisions are made to protect the rights of
>>>> guide dog users?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really have no right to say much more, as I am no longer a member of
>>>> the National Association of Guide Dog Users or the National Federation of
>>>> the Blind. Some have told me it must have been a difficult decision to
>>>> resign my membership in an organization I have served for thirty-four
>>>> years. Actually, it was not a difficult decision to make, as it is clear
>>>> the organization cannot be relied upon to protect the rights of guide dog
>>>> users. I have heard it said that when you are on the barricades fighting
>>>> for your rights and feel all alone, turn around and you will see 50,000
>>>> Federationists standing behind you. Yesterday I turned around and the
>>>> Federation had retreated. No, it was not a difficult decision to make.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will continue to fight for the rights of blind people and guide dog
>>>> users but I will do it independently. If you need my help, please do not
>>>> hesitate to get in touch with me. If nothing else, when you turn around,
>>>> I will be there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>>
>>>> Blind411 at verizon.net <mailto:Blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: NFB-NAGDU > On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos - NAGDU via NFB-NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 4:39 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Master List >
>>>> Subject: [NFB-NAGDU] NAGDU's response concerning the recent
>>>> discussions about Southeastern Guide Dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Fellow Federation family,
>>>>
>>>> As you have no doubt seen by now, there is some discussion about an
>>>> incident involving a woman in Florida who recently had her guide dog
>>>> taken away by a representative of Southeastern Guide Dogs. Additionally,
>>>> there is some discussion on social media where it has been said that
>>>> members of the NAGDU board of directors, specifically me, couldn't care
>>>> less about this situation. I would like to personally reassure everyone
>>>> reading that I very much care and so does the NAGDU board of directors.
>>>> Furthermore, we do not condone any illegal actions taken by anyone
>>>> against a blind person. As is also common with Federation policy, we try
>>>> to investigate all angles from all sides to gather as much information as
>>>> possible before deciding on an appropriate course of action. We are also
>>>> here to support the efforts of local affiliates and guide dog user
>>>> divisions. In this instance, the Florida Association of Guide Dog Users.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to remind everyone that if there is something that you
>>>> need to discuss with the NAGDU board of directors, you can always reach
>>>> out to us by emailing board at nagdu.org <mailto:board at nagdu.org> .
>>>> Additionally, you can reach out to any individual board member by using
>>>> their direct email address, comprised of their first initial, the last
>>>> name, followed by @nagdu.org. While we may not be able to find an instant
>>>> solution, we will listen to you and we will investigate if we do not have
>>>> all the facts.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Raul A. Gallegos / President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users, NAGDU
>>>> 832.554.7285 | RGallegos at nagdu.org <mailto:RGallegos at nagdu.org>
>>>> Subscribe to the NAGDU Public Events Calendar Here Schedule a
>>>> 30-minute Zoom meeting with me here Join us on Facebook | Follow us on
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>>>>
>>>> "Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap." -- Dr. Kenneth
>>>> Jernigan
>>>>
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