[BlindTlk] You are a fall risk because you are blind

Sun Sep 3 16:21:31 UTC 2023

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2023, Laz via BlindTlk wrote:

> I think I explained the situation correctly; I was deemed a fall risk due
> to blindness not due to my at the time, pending toe amputation. Of
> course after the toe amputation I was deemed an even bigger fall risk.
> Funnily enough the toe amputation itself did not affect my balance, just
> the increased amount of pain from walking.
>
> Just wanted to make it clear that it was my blindness which the insurance
> deemed as a fall risk. I wouldn't doubt it they had received a few lawsuits
> from blind individuals who happened to fall and decided to sue the hospital.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 3:45 PM Ericka via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Insurance companies are stupid and probably know nothing of blind folks.
> > In your case it made sense. You’d have balance issues due to the surgery.
> >
> > Ericka Nelson
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 2, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Laz via BlindTlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually it's not the fault of the doctors or nurses despite their
> > > unawareness or not; it's an insurance thing. I found this out the last
> > time
> > > I was in the hospital a few years ago, having my toe amputated. The first
> > > time I tried to use the bathroom, I found myself standing on a very
> > bouncy
> > > pad on the floor which covered quite a large area. I asked the nurses and
> > > doctors about it and found out it was because the insurance company has
> > > blind people on the list of fall risks and to cover their asses, the
> > > hospital has to do whatever it takes to limit their liability
> > > possibilities. They would not remove the pad. I told them that the pad
> > > irself increased my risk of falling as it made me very unstable when
> > trying
> > > to walk, and they responded that I should just call the nurse if I needed
> > > to use the bathroom and she would help me get there safely. I told them
> > > that if I went down, there was no way she would be able to stop me and
> > > would likely result in two people being at risk of falling. It didn't
> > make
> > > any difference. The pad remained and I just learned to balance on it even
> > > after my toe had been amputated and I had to be very careful how I walked
> > > to avoid hurting it.
> > >
> > > Laz
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 12:07 PM Jody ianuzzi via BlindTlk <
> > >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This is my point exactly. We were all lumped together in one category
> > They
> > >> never bother to get to know us as individuals I like the good old days
> > when
> > >> a doctor spent more time talking with you than they did entering
> > >> information into the computer.
> > >>
> > >> JODY
> > >>
> > >> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
> > >> Erik Weihenmayer
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jude DaShiell via BlindTlk <
> > >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In the southern states those hunting turkeys with shotguns get sent to
> > >>> Lions World International to rehabilitate once they join the blind
> > club.
> > >>> These people have not yet adjusted to blindness and are at a higher
> > fall
> > >>> risk.  Some elderly people loose their sight and do not go through
> > >>> adjustment to blindness programs and for as long as they're alive
> > remain
> > >> a
> > >>> fall risk.  Medical and social workers having looked at you before
> > >> reading
> > >>> your chart react more toward safety for those in their care.  If the
> > >>> information on your chart with regard to blindness isn't accurate for
> > >>> whatever reason then even if those  workers look at your chart they'll
> > >> not
> > >>> be correctly informed either.  It wasn't until after 2013 and my
> > >>> retirement I learned what really caused my blindness and that I had
> > never
> > >>> seen anything.  Doctors and parents earlier weren't completely truthful
> > >>> with themselves or me which is why I learned the real diagnosis as late
> > >> as
> > >>> I did.  By the way, I was able to give that information to 23andme
> > which
> > >>> may help genetic research.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> > >>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > >>> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2023, The Braille Cat via BlindTlk wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Man?? These folks with their total inability to think outside of the
> > >> Box really make me tired! I mean it's not like we went blind five
> > minutes
> > >> ago now is it??
> > >>>> Jack and Bex
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPod
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sep 2, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Pamela Dominguez via BlindTlk <
> > >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> It might be different now, but the last time I was hospitalized in
> > >> 2012, I got up when I wanted to, and went and used the bathroom and
> > >> whatever.  I didn’t even know they didn’t want me to until I was almost
> > >> ready to go home.  But the reason I say it might be different now is, I
> > go
> > >> to see my doctor in a hospital-type setting, and I complained that the
> > >> security guard didn’t want me to practically move, not to go out by
> > myself
> > >> to get my ride, not to come down from the other floor myself, not
> > anything,
> > >> and everybody I complained to said that he was doing the right thing,
> > >> because he was looking out for my safety because I can’t see.
> > >> Access-a-ride wants you outside ten minutes before the ride, and it
> > didn’t
> > >> matter what I said, he would not let me.  He said they had to come in
> > and
> > >> get me.  Pam.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From: Mama Otter via BlindTlk
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 8:03 PM
> > >>>> To: Judy Jones via BlindTlk
> > >>>> Cc: Mama Otter
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [BlindTlk] You are a fall risk because you are blind
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello. I can attest to this. I have also been totally blind since
> > birth.
> > >>>> I have been hospitalized 3 times this year and all 3 times was told I
> > >>>> could not get out of bed by myself because I was blind and I was a big
> > >>>> fall risk. This was infuriating and degrading to say the least. I
> > >>>> complained to various doctors and nurses with no result. So it is
> > >>>> definitely rampant among medical professionals which is wrong in my
> > >>>> opinion. I do have balance issues but they are not related to my sight
> > >>>> or lack thereof and I do know how to compensate for them and have not
> > >>>> fallen ever in my home. And believe me with 2 cats underfoot there are
> > >>>> enough fall risks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Charlotte
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 9/1/2023 6:35 PM, Judy Jones via BlindTlk wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi, Jody,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No, I haven't gotten that, at this point.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In fact, the PT for my torn meniscus stated that blindness doesn't
> > >> affect
> > >>>>> my balance, as it has been a life-long condition, but thought I might
> > >> have
> > >>>>> something vistibular going on since I also have been in Covid
> > >> long-haul.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> His respect for you should have run up a notch when you mentioned
> > your
> > >>>>> martial arts expertise hahahaha.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It may either be time to shop for a new doc, or start him on an
> > >> "education"
> > >>>>> program.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Judy
> > >>>>> sent from my Samsung Galaxy phone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 4:25 PM Jody ianuzzi via BlindTlk <
> > >> blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> The last time I went to see my doctor he really made me angry. He
> > >> told me
> > >>>>>> that he was concerned that I might fall because of my visual
> > >> impairment.  I
> > >>>>>> said that if I just lost my site that there would be a period of
> > >> adjustment
> > >>>>>> where I would have to learn alternative techniques to be more
> > >> confident.  I
> > >>>>>> told him that I have  been blind my entire life  I had no more
> > chance
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> falling than he did and that since I started learning the martial
> > >> arts 52
> > >>>>>> years ago, I could probably teach him how to fall without getting
> > >> hurt!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since this happened I have relayed the story to many people have
> > told
> > >> me
> > >>>>>> that they are also considered a fall risk by medical professionals.
> > >> So is
> > >>>>>> this a new protocol? Are we all incompetent at walking without
> > having
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since this happened I have relayed the story to many people who have
> > >> told
> > >>>>>> me that they are also considered a fall risk by medical
> > >> professionals. So
> > >>>>>> is this a new protocol? Are we all incompetent at walking without
> > >> having to
> > >>>>>> worry about falling?  I think it is so much of a coincidence that I
> > >> have
> > >>>>>> heard the story from many places around the country. I think I think
> > >> we
> > >>>>>> really have to educate the medical profession as well as everyone
> > >> else!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> JODY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO
> > BARRIERS
> > >>>>>> Erik Weihenmayer
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Raul Gallegos - NAGDU via BlindTlk <
> > >>>>>> blindtlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Hello Mark. That’s a new one for sure.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On a different but slightly related note, I went on a cruise
> > earlier
> > >>>>>> this year.
> > >>>>>>> Upon my re-entry back onboard the ship after indulging a nice and
> > >> long
> > >>>>>> day of sun and adult beverages, the security folks wanted to check
> > my
> > >> cane
> > >>>>>> before letting me on the ship. I politely declined and told the nice
> > >>>>>> security person that my cane posed no threat and that I could just
> > >> walk
> > >>>>>> through the gate and that I have done this many times. He was rather
> > >>>>>> insistent, however. So, the compromise was to let me walk through,
> > >> then
> > >>>>>> they would check the cane anyway. Considering I was tired, and a
> > >> little,
> > >>>>>> well, happy, and I didn’t want my good mood to be ruined, I let the
> > >>>>>> security folks check my cane after I walked through. Here is where
> > the
> > >>>>>> funny part comes in.
> > >>>>>>> As I am standing in front of the nice security person while my cane
> > >> is
> > >>>>>> getting checked for contraband, he puts his hands under mine and
> > >> tells me
> > >>>>>> that it is all going to be okay, and I can just lean forward on him,
> > >> and he
> > >>>>>> will make sure I do not fall. I instantly figured out that he
> > honestly
> > >>>>>> thought my cane was for balance, not guiding. Instead of educating
> > him
> > >>>>>> further, I grabbed his hands and started dancing with him. We
> > twirled
> > >>>>>> around a few times, and as we danced, I educated him that my balance
> > >> was
> > >>>>>> better than fine, and that my cane made a great dance partner when
> > my
> > >> wife
> > >>>>>> was not around and when my cane wasn’t doing its real job of guiding
> > >> me.
> > >>>>>>> In the end, it was a funny time, and hopefully, this nice security
> > >>>>>> cruise ship person received a little education in a positive way.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Raul Gallegos
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: nFB-Talk <nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mark
> > >> Tardif
> > >>>>>> via nFB-Talk
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 5:25 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>> Cc: Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com>; NFB of Florida
> > Internet
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> > >>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Talk] Strange Stuff
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alright, friends.  I’m going to tell you something that will either
> > >>>>>> leave you laughing or crying, and it is to demonstrate that no
> > matter
> > >> how
> > >>>>>> well educated you are, if you are not familiar with blindness, well,
> > >> you
> > >>>>>> can still come across as, to put it politely, not the brightest
> > light
> > >> in
> > >>>>>> the room.  The other day I saw a doctor I had never met before.  He
> > >> had
> > >>>>>> never spoken with someone who was born blind, and I suspect he had
> > >> never
> > >>>>>> spoken with any blind person.  Anyway, he saw my long white cane
> > and,
> > >> get
> > >>>>>> this, asked if this was my “eye stick.”  Yes, that was the term he
> > >> actually
> > >>>>>> used, “eye stick.”  I wasn’t sure whether to laugh or to just moan
> > >> with
> > >>>>>> sadness, but one does need to remember manners in this situation, so
> > >> I told
> > >>>>>> him that we call it a long white cane and told him what it was for.
> > >> He
> > >>>>>> actually asked a number of good questions about blindness, which I
> > >> thought
> > >>>>>> was good, but it was clear that he needed much educating.  He seemed
> > >>>>>> surprised I can actually walk around town independently.  I guess we
> > >> have a
> > >>>>>> lot of work to do, still, to put it mildly.  Also, I must say that
> > >> while
> > >>>>>> people up here are often extremely nice and courteous, they seem to
> > >> pride
> > >>>>>> themselves on being quite insular, even more than the rest of Maine,
> > >> which
> > >>>>>> is my state incidentally.  I say that because along with the term
> > “eye
> > >>>>>> stick,” I’ve often heard some very strange and, frankly, primitive
> > >> ideas
> > >>>>>> that I won’t actually go into here, but I do often think that holds
> > >> us back
> > >>>>>> in a lot of ways.  Anyway, I just thought I would share that bit of
> > >>>>>> strangeness.
> > >>>>>>> Mark Tardif
> > >>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
> > >>>>>>>
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