[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
Barbara Hammel
poetlori8 at msn.com
Sat Nov 1 16:51:54 UTC 2008
And therein lies the problem. A certain segment of our population today
wants us to incorporate all culture's costums simultaneously and stop being
who we are. American is bad, they say. We've had nothing bad stuff in our
past so who are we say anything about others' ways. Forgive me, those
outside our borders, but we are the greatest nation on earth. If we
weren't, why do people keep wanting to come here?
Barbara
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From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:36 PM
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please" and
> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was unreasonable. There
> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful to know
> in this country and culture. It wasn't as if she was trying to make the
> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher. She wanted an
> orderly, pleasant, courteous environment in which learning could take
> place. Having a basic set of social skills will be only beneficial to
> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to be.
>
> Jo Elizabeth
>
> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself. To take
> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work. Take care of
> what you are doing. Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in "Candide"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>> agreed. now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all different
>> cultures and beliefs. And who are we do define what the word manners
>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your idea of
>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating values, or
>> adopt there ways of raising children. How would you feel if you were
>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox Jewish
>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and told you
>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and rightfully so.
>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to eat, and
>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you. But your no different when you
>> tell others to say please or thank you. Your imposing your beliefs on
>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others as some
>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you would very
>> much hate. I think we all no of a horrific event in history in witch this
>> was done.
>> Amber
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume? You may want
>> to
>> study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions, because
>> manners vary greatly from culture to culture. Some languages don't even
>> have a wordl for please or thank you. It doesn't mean they're being
>> rude,
>> it's just not a word they need.
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>> > Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners. I assume we all know
>> what
>> > to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture, traumatic
>> > experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to teach
>> them
>> > to our future leaders. It's our responsibility as parents to do so,
>> or
>> > others will.
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>> > be right to
>> >>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>> >
>> >>tammy
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>> > make
>> >>> right choices about raising polite children.
>> >>> Barbara
>> >
>> >
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>> > subject
>> >>>> matter.
>> >>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>> > okay to
>> >>>> hurt another human being.
>> >>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >>>> I have to agree. I see parents in public all the time that I
>> > just want
>> >>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>> > me, my
>> >>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue. I will say something in
>> > the
>> >>>> above instances, though. Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>> > chasing
>> >>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc. I'll do the same
>> > if
>> >>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>> >>>> Dena
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>I agree with you on one point. If a child is being disruptive at
>> > an
>> >>>> event
>> >>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet. On the other points
>> > I
>> >>>> totally
>> >>>>>have to disagree with you on. If a parent allows there children
>> > to run
>> >>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>> > is
>> >>>> there
>> >>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>> > We
>> >>>> gripe
>> >>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>> > do do
>> >>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>> >>>> around
>> >>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>> > down on
>> >>>> when
>> >>>>>it is done to us. How would you feel if you had your child on a
>> > leash
>> >>>> in
>> >>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>> > parent
>> >>>> and
>> >>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>> > that
>> >>>> he
>> >>>>>was not a dog? I realize that the situations are not exactly
>> > alike,
>> >>>> but in
>> >>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>> > exactly
>> >
>> >>>>>alike. I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>> > in
>> >>>> stores,
>> >>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>> > tell
>> >>>> them
>> >>>>>how to raise there kids. And besides do we think that by us
>> > telling
>> >>>> them to
>> >>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>> > good
>> >>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>> >>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>> > a
>> >>>> peeve of
>> >>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do. LOL
>> >>>>> Amber
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: trishs
>> >>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>> >>>>> from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>> >>>>> Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>> >>>>> willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>> > almost
>> >>>>> got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I
>> >>>>> complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>> >>>>> should mind your own business, this is a family concert." I
>> > said
>> >>>>> I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family. "Your
>> > little
>> >>>>> man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>> > center
>> >>>>> of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate." They
>> >>>>> went into the office and complained about me. Nothing
>> > happened,
>> >>>>> but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>> >>>>> Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>> >>>>> public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>> > thing
>> >>>>> you do there is public. If I find your children running around
>> >>>>> in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>> >>>>> It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>> > you
>> >>>>> how to raise your family.
>> >
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