[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

Sat Nov 1 17:09:42 UTC 2008

I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal.  I feel that 
others should study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, 
this Is America!

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>Hi,
>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You 
may want to
>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions, 
because
>manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages 
don't even
>have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're 
being rude,
>it's just not a word they need.

>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all 
know what
>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture, 
traumatic
>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to 
teach them
>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do 
so, or
>> others will.

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>Hi,
>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>> be right to
>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?

>>>tammy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>> make
>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>> Barbara

>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>> subject
>>>>> matter.
>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>> okay to
>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"

>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>> just want
>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>> me, my
>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>> the
>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>> chasing
>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>> if
>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>> Dena

>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>> an
>>>>> event
>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>> I
>>>>> totally
>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>> to run
>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>> is
>>>>> there
>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>> We
>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>> do do
>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>> around
>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>> down on
>>>>> when
>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>> leash
>>>>> in
>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>> parent
>>>>> and
>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>> that
>>>>> he
>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>> alike,
>>>>> but in
>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>> exactly

>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>> in
>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>> tell
>>>>> them
>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>> telling
>>>>> them to
>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>> good
>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>> a
>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>> almost
>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>> said
>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>> little
>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>> center
>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>> happened,
>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>> thing
>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>> you
>>>>>>  how to raise your family.

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