[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

Tammy, Paul and Colyn tcl189 at rogers.com
Sat Nov 1 19:38:26 UTC 2008 

Hi,
Yes, and that's why there are Jewish schools, Catholic schools, Muslim 
schools, etc, so kids can feel they fit in and have a productive place to 
learn.

Tammy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


> And if the parent refuses said manners teaching, they could be invited to 
> find a new place to put their child.  That works for me.  Diversity, you 
> know?
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:04 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>Hi,
>>It's not fair to ask or expect that a child should do something
> that's not
>>part of their culture, just because a teacher thinks it's the
> right thing to
>>do.  It's the parents who should teach manners, not the teachers.
> If the
>>teacher wants to teach manners to a specific child they should
> talk to the
>>parents first.
>
>>Tammy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please"
> and
>>> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was
> unreasonable.  There
>>> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful
> to know
>>> in this country and culture.  It wasn't as if she was trying to
> make the
>>> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher.  She
> wanted an
>>> orderly, pleasant, courteous   environment in which learning
> could take
>>> place.  Having a basic set of social skills will be only
> beneficial to
>>> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to
> be.
>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>
>>> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself.
> To take
>>> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work.  Take
> care of
>>> what you are doing.  Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in
> "Candide"
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>> agreed.  now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all
> different
>>>> cultures and beliefs.  And who are we do define what the word
> manners
>>>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your
> idea of
>>>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating
> values, or
>>>> adopt there ways of raising children.  How would you feel if you
> were
>>>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox
> Jewish
>>>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and
> told you
>>>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and
> rightfully so.
>>>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to
> eat, and
>>>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you.  But your no
> different when you
>>>> tell others to say please or  thank you.  Your imposing your
> beliefs on
>>>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>>>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others
> as some
>>>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you
> would very
>>>> much hate.  I think we all no of a horrific event in history in
> witch this
>>>> was done.
>>>> Amber
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>  Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
> may want
>>>> to
>>>>  study the cultures in question before you make such
> assumptions, because
>>>>  manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
> don't even
>>>>  have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
> being
>>>> rude,
>>>>  it's just not a word they need.
>
>>>>  Tammy
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>  To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
> know
>>>> what
>>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
> traumatic
>>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
> teach
>>>> them
>>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
> so,
>>>> or
>>>>> others will.
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>>> be right to
>>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>
>>>>>>tammy
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>>> make
>>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>>> Barbara
>
>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>>> okay to
>>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>
>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>>> just want
>>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>>> me, my
>>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>>> chasing
>>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>>> Dena
>
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>>> alike,
>>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>>> exactly
>
>>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.
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