[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
trishs
slosser at metrocast.net
Sat Nov 1 17:09:49 UTC 2008
And if the parent refuses said manners teaching, they could be
invited to find a new place to put their child. That works for
me. Diversity, you know?
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:04 -0400
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>Hi,
>It's not fair to ask or expect that a child should do something
that's not
>part of their culture, just because a teacher thinks it's the
right thing to
>do. It's the parents who should teach manners, not the teachers.
If the
>teacher wants to teach manners to a specific child they should
talk to the
>parents first.
>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please"
and
>> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was
unreasonable. There
>> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful
to know
>> in this country and culture. It wasn't as if she was trying to
make the
>> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher. She
wanted an
>> orderly, pleasant, courteous environment in which learning
could take
>> place. Having a basic set of social skills will be only
beneficial to
>> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to
be.
>> Jo Elizabeth
>> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself.
To take
>> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work. Take
care of
>> what you are doing. Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in
"Candide"
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> agreed. now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all
different
>>> cultures and beliefs. And who are we do define what the word
manners
>>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your
idea of
>>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating
values, or
>>> adopt there ways of raising children. How would you feel if you
were
>>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox
Jewish
>>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and
told you
>>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and
rightfully so.
>>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to
eat, and
>>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you. But your no
different when you
>>> tell others to say please or thank you. Your imposing your
beliefs on
>>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others
as some
>>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you
would very
>>> much hate. I think we all no of a horrific event in history in
witch this
>>> was done.
>>> Amber
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> Hi,
>>> Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume? You
may want
>>> to
>>> study the cultures in question before you make such
assumptions, because
>>> manners vary greatly from culture to culture. Some languages
don't even
>>> have a wordl for please or thank you. It doesn't mean they're
being
>>> rude,
>>> it's just not a word they need.
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners. I assume we all
know
>>> what
>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
traumatic
>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
teach
>>> them
>>>> to our future leaders. It's our responsibility as parents to do
so,
>>> or
>>>> others will.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>> be right to
>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>>>>>tammy
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>> make
>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>> subject
>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>> okay to
>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>>> I have to agree. I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>> just want
>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>> me, my
>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue. I will say something in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> above instances, though. Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>> chasing
>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc. I'll do the same
>>>> if
>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>> Dena
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point. If a child is being disruptive at
>>>> an
>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet. On the other points
>>>> I
>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on. If a parent allows there children
>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>> is
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>> We
>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>> down on
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>it is done to us. How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>> leash
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>> parent
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>> that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>was not a dog? I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>> alike,
>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>alike. I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>> in
>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>> tell
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids. And besides do we think that by us
>>>> telling
>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>> good
>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>> a
>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do. LOL
>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: trishs
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>>>>>> Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>> from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>> Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>> willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>> almost
>>>>>>>> got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I
>>>>>>>> complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>> should mind your own business, this is a family concert." I
>>>> said
>>>>>>>> I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family. "Your
>>>> little
>>>>>>>> man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>> center
>>>>>>>> of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate." They
>>>>>>>> went into the office and complained about me. Nothing
>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>> but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>> public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> you do there is public. If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>> in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>> It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>> you
>>>>>>>> how to raise your family.
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