[blparent] Off-topic Posts

Allie alliemartins at gmail.com
Sun Nov 2 01:29:35 UTC 2008 

I joined this list to read and hopefully contribute experiences with parenting as a blind person. 
You don't know how disappointing it is to open my inbox and hit the delete key over and over again 
because of this one big, long thread that seems to have gone on for days, which doubtless is still 
the same thing that was talked about when the topic was first started. I'm on two diferent parenting 
lists, and I really like being a part of this one because of the diverse group of people we have 
here. It gets tedious having to delete messages from the same subject line.

Hopefully you guys weren't talking about anything important that I might have missed!

-- Allie

A smile costs nothing but gives much.  It enriches those who receive without making poorer those who 
give.  It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts forever.  None is so rich or 
mighty that he cannot get along without it and none is so poor that he cannot be made rich by it. 
Yet a smile cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is something that is of no value 
to anyone until it is given away.  Some people are too tired to give you a smile.  Give them one of 
yours, as none needs a smile so much as he who has no more to give.
-- Author Unknown
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


Hi,
I don't live in America, as you call it?  It's not America btw, it's The
united States of America,  it's part of North America.  You said you were a
teacher, obviously not a teacher of geography. and why exactly  should
people study your culture exclusively?  It's obviously not the best culture
if I'm reading your message right and you think all other cultures are
beneath yours.  I'm sorry list but I'm sick of attitudes like this one!
Thinking she's better then everybody else because she's a teacher, or
because she's quote American, or because she's fill in the blank.  In my
world respect is earned, and you won't get it if you don't earn it first.
This is supposed to be a parenting list, but since Trishs has joined I'm
getting nothing but attitude and snotty little I'm better then everybody
else comments from her, and I'm really getting sick of it.  I should
probably take it up with the moderators, but whenever I do that they either
tell me it's my fault or just ignore the problem completely.  Do you think
please that we could stop this thread and get back to talking about
something useful?  If it had been me who started this thread The moderators
would have shut me down after my first or second post on the subject,
whether I was disaggreeing, agreeing with somebody or just stating a fact.
But since it wasn't me they choose to let it go on for days and days and do
nothing even though it has nothing to do with blind parenting or even
parenting in general.  You watch, I'll probably even get kicked off the list
for this post, even though I can think of much worse messages that have been
sent by other people and nothing has been done about them.

I guess, we'll see!

Tammy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


>I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal.  I feel that others should
>study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, this Is America!
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>Hi,
>>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
> may want to
>>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
> because
>>manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
> don't even
>>have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
> being rude,
>>it's just not a word they need.
>
>>Tammy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
> know what
>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
> traumatic
>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
> teach them
>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
> so, or
>>> others will.
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>> be right to
>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>
>>>>tammy
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>> make
>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>> Barbara
>
>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>> subject
>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>> okay to
>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>> just want
>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>> me, my
>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>> the
>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>> chasing
>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>> if
>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>> Dena
>
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>> an
>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>> I
>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>> to run
>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>> is
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>> We
>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>> do do
>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>> down on
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>> leash
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>> parent
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>> that
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>> alike,
>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>> exactly
>
>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>> in
>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>> tell
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>> telling
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>> good
>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>> a
>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>> almost
>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>> said
>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>> little
>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>> center
>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>> happened,
>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>> thing
>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>> you
>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.
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