[blparent] Off-topic Posts

Dena Wainwright autumnrose21 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 2 03:28:29 UTC 2008 

I totally agree with you. I find myself deleting almost every message from 
this list, and it is very disappointing.
Dena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: [blparent] Off-topic Posts


>I joined this list to read and hopefully contribute experiences with 
>parenting as a blind person.
> You don't know how disappointing it is to open my inbox and hit the delete 
> key over and over again
> because of this one big, long thread that seems to have gone on for days, 
> which doubtless is still
> the same thing that was talked about when the topic was first started. I'm 
> on two diferent parenting
> lists, and I really like being a part of this one because of the diverse 
> group of people we have
> here. It gets tedious having to delete messages from the same subject 
> line.
>
> Hopefully you guys weren't talking about anything important that I might 
> have missed!
>
> -- Allie
>
> A smile costs nothing but gives much.  It enriches those who receive 
> without making poorer those who
> give.  It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts 
> forever.  None is so rich or
> mighty that he cannot get along without it and none is so poor that he 
> cannot be made rich by it.
> Yet a smile cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is 
> something that is of no value
> to anyone until it is given away.  Some people are too tired to give you a 
> smile.  Give them one of
> yours, as none needs a smile so much as he who has no more to give.
> -- Author Unknown
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
> Hi,
> I don't live in America, as you call it?  It's not America btw, it's The
> united States of America,  it's part of North America.  You said you were 
> a
> teacher, obviously not a teacher of geography. and why exactly  should
> people study your culture exclusively?  It's obviously not the best 
> culture
> if I'm reading your message right and you think all other cultures are
> beneath yours.  I'm sorry list but I'm sick of attitudes like this one!
> Thinking she's better then everybody else because she's a teacher, or
> because she's quote American, or because she's fill in the blank.  In my
> world respect is earned, and you won't get it if you don't earn it first.
> This is supposed to be a parenting list, but since Trishs has joined I'm
> getting nothing but attitude and snotty little I'm better then everybody
> else comments from her, and I'm really getting sick of it.  I should
> probably take it up with the moderators, but whenever I do that they 
> either
> tell me it's my fault or just ignore the problem completely.  Do you think
> please that we could stop this thread and get back to talking about
> something useful?  If it had been me who started this thread The 
> moderators
> would have shut me down after my first or second post on the subject,
> whether I was disaggreeing, agreeing with somebody or just stating a fact.
> But since it wasn't me they choose to let it go on for days and days and 
> do
> nothing even though it has nothing to do with blind parenting or even
> parenting in general.  You watch, I'll probably even get kicked off the 
> list
> for this post, even though I can think of much worse messages that have 
> been
> sent by other people and nothing has been done about them.
>
> I guess, we'll see!
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal.  I feel that others should
>>study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, this Is America!
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
>> may want to
>>>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
>> because
>>>manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
>> don't even
>>>have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
>> being rude,
>>>it's just not a word they need.
>>
>>>Tammy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
>> know what
>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>> traumatic
>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>> teach them
>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
>> so, or
>>>> others will.
>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>> be right to
>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>>
>>>>>tammy
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>> make
>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>> Barbara
>>
>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>> subject
>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>> okay to
>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>>
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>> just want
>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>> me, my
>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>> chasing
>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>> if
>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>> Dena
>>
>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>> an
>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>> I
>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>> is
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>> We
>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>> down on
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>> leash
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>> parent
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>> that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>> alike,
>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>> exactly
>>
>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>> in
>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>> tell
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>> telling
>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>> good
>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>> a
>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>> said
>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>> little
>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>> center
>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.
>>
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