[blparent] preschool and other programs, was Teaching Kids Manners
Tammy, Paul and Colyn
tcl189 at rogers.com
Sun Nov 2 03:46:18 UTC 2008
Hi,
I agree with the below. My son loves his preschool, and he's learned lots
of things there. I love the program they have there, and if I didn't, I
certainly think of taking him elsewhere. I think the thing parents really
need to do is to do your research about the facility and the program. It's
not a one size fits all situation and some programs won't work well for all
kids.
Tammy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: [blparent] Teaching Kids Manners
>I agree with Jo Elizabeth. There's nothing wrong with teaching please and
>thank you. Young kids are
> very impressionable. I'm teaching my Gabriella new things every day. If,
> for some reason, someone
> wanted to enforce saying please and thank you in the classroom, I would
> have no complaints here.
>
> If you don't agree with the school's policies, then you should take your
> child somewhere else. I'm
> enrolling Gabriella in daycare on campus for next semester, because it
> would be more convenient
> transportation wise. I went through the parent orientation online and read
> all about their practices
> and policies. I'm very impressed with the program. I like the idea of
> Gabriella being with kids her
> age and learning how to get along together and share and all those things
> you need to learn to live
> with other people. She learns quite abit from being home with Mark and
> me, and even at grandma's
> house where she is most of the week this semester, but I think being in a
> classroom environment
> where they don't pressure the kids and encourage them to go at their own
> pace, is great! If they
> want to enforce being polite, that is wonderful!
>
> -- Allie
>
> A smile costs nothing but gives much. It enriches those who receive
> without making poorer those who
> give. It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts
> forever. None is so rich or
> mighty that he cannot get along without it and none is so poor that he
> cannot be made rich by it.
> Yet a smile cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is
> something that is of no value
> to anyone until it is given away. Some people are too tired to give you a
> smile. Give them one of
> yours, as none needs a smile so much as he who has no more to give.
> -- Author Unknown
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
> And therein lies the problem. A certain segment of our population today
> wants us to incorporate all culture's costums simultaneously and stop
> being
> who we are. American is bad, they say. We've had nothing bad stuff in
> our
> past so who are we say anything about others' ways. Forgive me, those
> outside our borders, but we are the greatest nation on earth. If we
> weren't, why do people keep wanting to come here?
> Barbara
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:36 PM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please" and
>> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was unreasonable.
>> There
>> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful to know
>> in this country and culture. It wasn't as if she was trying to make the
>> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher. She wanted an
>> orderly, pleasant, courteous environment in which learning could take
>> place. Having a basic set of social skills will be only beneficial to
>> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to be.
>>
>> Jo Elizabeth
>>
>> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself. To take
>> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work. Take care of
>> what you are doing. Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in "Candide"
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>> agreed. now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all different
>>> cultures and beliefs. And who are we do define what the word manners
>>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your idea of
>>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating values, or
>>> adopt there ways of raising children. How would you feel if you were
>>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox Jewish
>>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and told you
>>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and rightfully so.
>>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to eat,
>>> and
>>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you. But your no different when
>>> you
>>> tell others to say please or thank you. Your imposing your beliefs on
>>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others as some
>>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you would very
>>> much hate. I think we all no of a horrific event in history in witch
>>> this
>>> was done.
>>> Amber
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume? You may
>>> want
>>> to
>>> study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
>>> because
>>> manners vary greatly from culture to culture. Some languages don't
>>> even
>>> have a wordl for please or thank you. It doesn't mean they're being
>>> rude,
>>> it's just not a word they need.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>> > Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners. I assume we all know
>>> what
>>> > to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>>> traumatic
>>> > experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to teach
>>> them
>>> > to our future leaders. It's our responsibility as parents to do so,
>>> or
>>> > others will.
>>> >
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> >>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >>Hi,
>>> >>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>> > be right to
>>> >>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>>> >
>>> >>tammy
>>> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>> >>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>> >>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>> > make
>>> >>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>> >>> Barbara
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>> > subject
>>> >>>> matter.
>>> >>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>> > okay to
>>> >>>> hurt another human being.
>>> >>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> > [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >>>> I have to agree. I see parents in public all the time that I
>>> > just want
>>> >>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>> > me, my
>>> >>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue. I will say something in
>>> > the
>>> >>>> above instances, though. Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>> > chasing
>>> >>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc. I'll do the same
>>> > if
>>> >>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>> >>>> Dena
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>>I agree with you on one point. If a child is being disruptive at
>>> > an
>>> >>>> event
>>> >>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet. On the other points
>>> > I
>>> >>>> totally
>>> >>>>>have to disagree with you on. If a parent allows there children
>>> > to run
>>> >>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>> > is
>>> >>>> there
>>> >>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>> > We
>>> >>>> gripe
>>> >>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>> > do do
>>> >>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>> >>>> around
>>> >>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>> > down on
>>> >>>> when
>>> >>>>>it is done to us. How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>> > leash
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>> > parent
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>> > that
>>> >>>> he
>>> >>>>>was not a dog? I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>> > alike,
>>> >>>> but in
>>> >>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>> > exactly
>>> >
>>> >>>>>alike. I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>> > in
>>> >>>> stores,
>>> >>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>> > tell
>>> >>>> them
>>> >>>>>how to raise there kids. And besides do we think that by us
>>> > telling
>>> >>>> them to
>>> >>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>> > good
>>> >>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>> >>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>> > a
>>> >>>> peeve of
>>> >>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do. LOL
>>> >>>>> Amber
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>> From: trishs
>>> >>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>> >>>>> from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>> >>>>> Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>> >>>>> willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>> > almost
>>> >>>>> got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut. I
>>> >>>>> complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>> >>>>> should mind your own business, this is a family concert." I
>>> > said
>>> >>>>> I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family. "Your
>>> > little
>>> >>>>> man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>> > center
>>> >>>>> of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate." They
>>> >>>>> went into the office and complained about me. Nothing
>>> > happened,
>>> >>>>> but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>> >>>>> Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>> >>>>> public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>> > thing
>>> >>>>> you do there is public. If I find your children running around
>>> >>>>> in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>> >>>>> It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>> > you
>>> >>>>> how to raise your family.
>>> >
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