[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

Sun Nov 2 16:17:05 UTC 2008

That's one great part of living here.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:38:26 -0400
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>Hi,
>Yes, and that's why there are Jewish schools, Catholic schools, 
Muslim
>schools, etc, so kids can feel they fit in and have a productive 
place to
>learn.

>Tammy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>> And if the parent refuses said manners teaching, they could be 
invited to
>> find a new place to put their child.  That works for me.  
Diversity, you
>> know?

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:04 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>Hi,
>>>It's not fair to ask or expect that a child should do something
>> that's not
>>>part of their culture, just because a teacher thinks it's the
>> right thing to
>>>do.  It's the parents who should teach manners, not the teachers.
>> If the
>>>teacher wants to teach manners to a specific child they should
>> talk to the
>>>parents first.

>>>Tammy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please"
>> and
>>>> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was
>> unreasonable.  There
>>>> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful
>> to know
>>>> in this country and culture.  It wasn't as if she was trying to
>> make the
>>>> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher.  She
>> wanted an
>>>> orderly, pleasant, courteous   environment in which learning
>> could take
>>>> place.  Having a basic set of social skills will be only
>> beneficial to
>>>> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to
>> be.

>>>> Jo Elizabeth

>>>> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself.
>> To take
>>>> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work.  Take
>> care of
>>>> what you are doing.  Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in
>> "Candide"
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>> agreed.  now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all
>> different
>>>>> cultures and beliefs.  And who are we do define what the word
>> manners
>>>>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your
>> idea of
>>>>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating
>> values, or
>>>>> adopt there ways of raising children.  How would you feel if you
>> were
>>>>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox
>> Jewish
>>>>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and
>> told you
>>>>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and
>> rightfully so.
>>>>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to
>> eat, and
>>>>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you.  But your no
>> different when you
>>>>> tell others to say please or  thank you.  Your imposing your
>> beliefs on
>>>>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>>>>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others
>> as some
>>>>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you
>> would very
>>>>> much hate.  I think we all no of a horrific event in history in
>> witch this
>>>>> was done.
>>>>> Amber
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>  Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
>> may want
>>>>> to
>>>>>  study the cultures in question before you make such
>> assumptions, because
>>>>>  manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
>> don't even
>>>>>  have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
>> being
>>>>> rude,
>>>>>  it's just not a word they need.

>>>>>  Tammy
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>  To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
>> know
>>>>> what
>>>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>> traumatic
>>>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>> teach
>>>>> them
>>>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
>> so,
>>>>> or
>>>>>> others will.

>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>>>> be right to
>>>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?

>>>>>>>tammy
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>>>> Barbara

>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>>>> okay to
>>>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"

>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>>>> just want
>>>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>>>> me, my
>>>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>>>> chasing
>>>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>>>> Dena

>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>>>> alike,
>>>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>>>> exactly

>>>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

>>>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.

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