[blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!

Tammy, Paul and Colyn tcl189 at rogers.com
Sun Nov 2 21:44:57 UTC 2008 

Hi,
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Tammy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!


> That's one great part of living here.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:38:26 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>Hi,
>>Yes, and that's why there are Jewish schools, Catholic schools,
> Muslim
>>schools, etc, so kids can feel they fit in and have a productive
> place to
>>learn.
>
>>Tammy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>> And if the parent refuses said manners teaching, they could be
> invited to
>>> find a new place to put their child.  That works for me.
> Diversity, you
>>> know?
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:16:04 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>It's not fair to ask or expect that a child should do something
>>> that's not
>>>>part of their culture, just because a teacher thinks it's the
>>> right thing to
>>>>do.  It's the parents who should teach manners, not the teachers.
>>> If the
>>>>teacher wants to teach manners to a specific child they should
>>> talk to the
>>>>parents first.
>
>>>>Tammy
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:36 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>> Honestly, when my sister insisted that her students say "please"
>>> and
>>>>> "thank you" in her classroom, I didn't think that was
>>> unreasonable.  There
>>>>> are some customs that are fairly universal, and that are helpful
>>> to know
>>>>> in this country and culture.  It wasn't as if she was trying to
>>> make the
>>>>> kids pray facing east five times a day, or eat Kosher.  She
>>> wanted an
>>>>> orderly, pleasant, courteous   environment in which learning
>>> could take
>>>>> place.  Having a basic set of social skills will be only
>>> beneficial to
>>>>> those kids, regardless of what their personal views turn out to
>>> be.
>
>>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>
>>>>> It is easy--terribly easy--to shake a man's faith in himself.
>>> To take
>>>>> advantage of that to break a man's spirit is devil's work.  Take
>>> care of
>>>>> what you are doing.  Take care.--George Bernard Shaw in
>>> "Candide"
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>> agreed.  now ADAYS we live in a world that has people from all
>>> different
>>>>>> cultures and beliefs.  And who are we do define what the word
>>> manners
>>>>>> means? These same people that your implying should adopt your
>>> idea of
>>>>>> manners may feel just as strongly that you adopt there eating
>>> values, or
>>>>>> adopt there ways of raising children.  How would you feel if you
>>> were
>>>>>> sitting in a restaurant eating a nice pork chop and an orthodox
>>> Jewish
>>>>>> person walked up and snagged that porkchop from your hand and
>>> told you
>>>>>> you could not eat it? You would likely be quite upset and
>>> rightfully so.
>>>>>> You would likely feel as if they had no rite telling you what to
>>> eat, and
>>>>>> had no rite imposing there beliefs on you.  But your no
>>> different when you
>>>>>> tell others to say please or  thank you.  Your imposing your
>>> beliefs on
>>>>>> them and expecting that they adopt them.
>>>>>> It is a very bad idea to start imposing your beliefs on others
>>> as some
>>>>>> day that same thing may be done to you in a way in witch you
>>> would very
>>>>>> much hate.  I think we all no of a horrific event in history in
>>> witch this
>>>>>> was done.
>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>  From: Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>  Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:05 AM
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>  Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
>>> may want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>  study the cultures in question before you make such
>>> assumptions, because
>>>>>>  manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
>>> don't even
>>>>>>  have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
>>> being
>>>>>> rude,
>>>>>>  it's just not a word they need.
>
>>>>>>  Tammy
>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>  From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>>>  To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
>>> know
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>>> traumatic
>>>>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>>> teach
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
>>> so,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> others will.
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>>>>> be right to
>>>>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>
>>>>>>>>tammy
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>
>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>>>>> okay to
>>>>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>>>>> just want
>>>>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>>>>> me, my
>>>>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>>>>> chasing
>>>>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>>>>> Dena
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>>>>> alike,
>>>>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>>>>> exactly
>
>>>>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.
>
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