[blparent] Off-topic Posts

Wed Nov 5 05:18:52 UTC 2008

I don't delete too many of them, just the ones that go on forever.  But's 
that's what happens when you get opposing opinions. V
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Off-topic Posts

>I totally agree with you. I find myself deleting almost every message from
> this list, and it is very disappointing.
> Dena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: [blparent] Off-topic Posts
>
>
>>I joined this list to read and hopefully contribute experiences with
>>parenting as a blind person.
>> You don't know how disappointing it is to open my inbox and hit the 
>> delete
>> key over and over again
>> because of this one big, long thread that seems to have gone on for days,
>> which doubtless is still
>> the same thing that was talked about when the topic was first started. 
>> I'm
>> on two diferent parenting
>> lists, and I really like being a part of this one because of the diverse
>> group of people we have
>> here. It gets tedious having to delete messages from the same subject
>> line.
>>
>> Hopefully you guys weren't talking about anything important that I might
>> have missed!
>>
>> -- Allie
>>
>> A smile costs nothing but gives much.  It enriches those who receive
>> without making poorer those who
>> give.  It takes but a moment, but the memory of it sometimes lasts
>> forever.  None is so rich or
>> mighty that he cannot get along without it and none is so poor that he
>> cannot be made rich by it.
>> Yet a smile cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is
>> something that is of no value
>> to anyone until it is given away.  Some people are too tired to give you 
>> a
>> smile.  Give them one of
>> yours, as none needs a smile so much as he who has no more to give.
>> -- Author Unknown
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I don't live in America, as you call it?  It's not America btw, it's The
>> united States of America,  it's part of North America.  You said you were
>> a
>> teacher, obviously not a teacher of geography. and why exactly  should
>> people study your culture exclusively?  It's obviously not the best
>> culture
>> if I'm reading your message right and you think all other cultures are
>> beneath yours.  I'm sorry list but I'm sick of attitudes like this one!
>> Thinking she's better then everybody else because she's a teacher, or
>> because she's quote American, or because she's fill in the blank.  In my
>> world respect is earned, and you won't get it if you don't earn it first.
>> This is supposed to be a parenting list, but since Trishs has joined I'm
>> getting nothing but attitude and snotty little I'm better then everybody
>> else comments from her, and I'm really getting sick of it.  I should
>> probably take it up with the moderators, but whenever I do that they
>> either
>> tell me it's my fault or just ignore the problem completely.  Do you 
>> think
>> please that we could stop this thread and get back to talking about
>> something useful?  If it had been me who started this thread The
>> moderators
>> would have shut me down after my first or second post on the subject,
>> whether I was disaggreeing, agreeing with somebody or just stating a 
>> fact.
>> But since it wasn't me they choose to let it go on for days and days and
>> do
>> nothing even though it has nothing to do with blind parenting or even
>> parenting in general.  You watch, I'll probably even get kicked off the
>> list
>> for this post, even though I can think of much worse messages that have
>> been
>> sent by other people and nothing has been done about them.
>>
>> I guess, we'll see!
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>
>>
>>>I suppose that "respect" isn't quite universal.  I feel that others 
>>>should
>>>study our culture as aposed to your suggestion, this Is America!
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Date sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:05:00 -0400
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>Well you know what I think of when I hear the word assume?  You
>>> may want to
>>>>study the cultures in question before you make such assumptions,
>>> because
>>>>manners vary greatly from culture to culture.  Some languages
>>> don't even
>>>>have a wordl for please or thank you.  It doesn't mean they're
>>> being rude,
>>>>it's just not a word they need.
>>>
>>>>Tammy
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "trishs" <slosser at metrocast.net
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:28 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Violent scenarios aside, manners are manners.  I assume we all
>>> know what
>>>>> to teach, and regardless of personality, affluence, culture,
>>> traumatic
>>>>> experiences, we need to be tought, and we need to learn how to
>>> teach them
>>>>> to our future leaders.  It's our responsibility as parents to do
>>> so, or
>>>>> others will.
>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:34:56 -0400
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>That's all well and good but what's right to one parent may not
>>>>> be right to
>>>>>>another, and what gives us the right to judge either parent?
>>>
>>>>>>tammy
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com
>>>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, I'd like to sit those parents in a time-out until they can
>>>>> make
>>>>>>> right choices about raising polite children.
>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>>>>>> I still say the use of violent metaphors is a problem given the
>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>> We want to teach respect, but we use words that imply that it is
>>>>> okay to
>>>>>>>> hurt another human being.
>>>>>>>> Any wonder why kids aren't "getting it?"
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Dena Wainwright
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to agree.  I see parents in public all the time that I
>>>>> just want
>>>>>>>> to smack, but unless their child is doing something that impacts
>>>>> me, my
>>>>>>>> baby, or my dog, I just bite my tongue.  I will say something in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> above instances, though.  Like when kids are barking at my dog,
>>>>> chasing
>>>>>>>> my dog, trying to hit my dog with toys, etc.  I'll do the same
>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> anyone's kid is bugging Elise in similar ways.
>>>>>>>> Dena
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>I agree with you on one point.  If a child is being disruptive at
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>>>the parents should try and keep them quiet.  On the other points
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> totally
>>>>>>>>>have to disagree with you on.  If a parent allows there children
>>>>> to run
>>>>>>>>>threw a store witch by the way is a huge peeve of mine, then that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>rite and who is it for us to tell them to control there children.
>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> gripe
>>>>>>>>>as blind parents because people are always trying to tell us how
>>>>> do do
>>>>>>>>>things, thinking we cant parent, and so on, but then we will turn
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>and boss parents around thus doing the same thing that we look
>>>>> down on
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>it is done to us.  How would you feel if you had your child on a
>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>order to give him freedom but also keeping him safe as a blind
>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>someone came up to you telling you to get your child off a leash
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>was not a dog?  I realize that the situations are not exactly
>>>>> alike,
>>>>>>>> but in
>>>>>>>>>principle one parent telling another how to raise there kids is
>>>>> exactly
>>>
>>>>>>>>>alike.  I personally can not stand parents allowing kids to run
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> stores,
>>>>>>>>>scream out of control in restaurants, but It is not my place to
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>how to raise there kids.  And besides do we think that by us
>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>make there kids stop running around that from now on they will be
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>parents and follow our lead? I think not.
>>>>>>>>> JOB Sorry if this sounds harsh, its not meant to be so, but its
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> peeve of
>>>>>>>>> mine to have people tell me what to do.  LOL
>>>>>>>>> Amber
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>  From: trishs
>>>>>>>>>  To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [blparent] wow kindergarten has changed!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Last year at my girl's Christmas concert I sat across the table
>>>>>>>>>  from a young woman and man with a little boy two-years-old.
>>>>>>>>>  Micro man wasn't willing to sit quietly, super-parents weren't
>>>>>>>>>  willing to take him to the provided quiet room, and Trish
>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>  got herself beat up because I couldn't keep my mouth shut.  I
>>>>>>>>>  complained to them about their noise and I was told "maybe you
>>>>>>>>>  should mind your own business, this is a family concert."  I
>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>  I was aware of that, but I couldn't hear my family.  "Your
>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>>  man may be the center of your universe, but he is not the
>>>>> center
>>>>>>>>>  of mine, and he's disruptive, and you're inconsiderate."  They
>>>>>>>>>  went into the office and complained about me.  Nothing
>>>>> happened,
>>>>>>>>>  but my mom couldn't get me out of there fast enough.
>>>>>>>>>  Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but, if you're in
>>>>>>>>>  public, the grocery store, restaurant, school event, every
>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>  you do there is public.  If I find your children running around
>>>>>>>>>  in the store I'm going to say something to you.
>>>>>>>>>  It's not as though I'm barging into your living room telling
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>  how to raise your family.
>>>
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