[blparent] Noisy shoes

Sat Nov 15 20:59:54 UTC 2008

Good, we agree. V
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes

> Hi,
> No, I'm not saying that at all.  But if it's frustrating them to the point
> they throw the cane then they're not learning anything from the 
> experience.
> Maybe they're showing you in their own way that they're not ready for 
> using
> a cane.  If they're developmentally challenged, it would be sensible to 
> keep
> showing them the cane, but not pressuring them to use it.  Wait a bit 
> until
> they ask about it or seem a little interested in it and then maybe things
> will go better.  They're six years old and not interested in the cane at 
> all
> right now.  What's wrong with them holding on to someone's hand if they 
> feel
> comfortable doing that.  Why force a cane in to their hands when they 
> don't
> know how to be safe with it right now?  They'll just rebell against it
> later, and then you're back at square one again.  My son loves using his
> cane, but he's 3 and he sees us using ours all the time so that helps. 
> He's
> recently started using it at school to go from one room to the other, and
> I'm told he uses it well.  But if he didn't want to use it, I wouldn't 
> make
> him, and even in 3 years when he's six I wouldn't pressure him to use it.
> He'd get tired of falling down stairs and bumping in to things eventually.
> This isn't an issue of stopping showing them how to use the cane, it's an
> issue of effective and safe travel, and letting someone, anyone hold on to
> your cane for teaching purposes is unsafe and dangerous for all concerned
> imo.
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>
>
>> So tammy, are you saying if someone can't understand something from no
>> fault of their own, we shouldn't try to teach them anything. this is like
>> keeping them locked up because they are not the same as you or me.  These
>> kids are developmentally challenged and I believe they should continue
>> trying, not give up on them in any way, shape or form.  I beliee that 
>> each
>> and everyday their mother should show them the cane and practice with it.
>> this is how some people learn. V
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> No, you're right, not everyone's a pro at first tap, but when a person 
>>> is
>>> trying to learn how to use a cane properly they at least have the 
>>> ability
>>> to
>>> know what the purpose of the cane is so they can at least try to use it
>>> effectively.  What's the point of trying to teach him something he
>>> doesn't
>>> seem to understand?  It will just frustrate him and his mother, and 
>>> cause
>>> him to not want to use the cane at all, and that's far from what anybody
>>> involved wants.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>
>>>
>>>> We all have to start somewhere.  Not everyone is a pro at first tap.
>>>> Smile. When I went to the orientation center for the blind when I was
>>>> 29,
>>>> it was hard learning to trust it.  I always felt better holding on to
>>>> someone.  All the instructors would show us how to hold it, where our
>>>> hands should be and then they would turn us out to the wild.  Some
>>>> people
>>>> were so frightened they dropped out and left the center.  Imagine how
>>>> scarry it is for a child to all of a sudden not be able to hold on to
>>>> mom
>>>> anymore and not be able to see. If indeed, Barbara is just teaching by
>>>> letting him hold the cane it is okay, but just for walking and getting
>>>> around it is not a good idea for either of them. V
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> If he doesn't know or has no concept of how and why to use a cane then
>>>>> he
>>>>> shouldn't be  using one.  As for holding on to your cane, there has to
>>>>> be
>>>>> a
>>>>> better more safe way to travel with your children.  Not only are you
>>>>> putting
>>>>> yourself in danger when you let your child hold on to your cane,  but
>>>>> your
>>>>> children are also in danger if you don't use safe methods of 
>>>>> traveling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tammy
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is a problem we do have.  He refuses to use it correctly so
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> a good thing I know our block and other places where I have him do
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> Once in a while I do run into things or trip, but he has to learn
>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>> Got any ideas how to get him to hold his own cane.  We've tried
>>>>>> fastening
>>>>>> it in his hand but he hates that.  The teaching cane is the best
>>>>>> method
>>>>>> I've found so far.  I'm not bragging when I say I'm a very good
>>>>>> traveler
>>>>>> who is very aware of my surroundings because I'm not brave at all 
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> comes to new situations.
>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> having a child hold onto your cane doesn't seem especially effective
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> safe to me... how can you get accurate info with someone holding it?
>>>>>>> also, what if he lets go?
>>>>>>> Dena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, instead of holding your cane, you should have your 
>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>> hold onto your pants or belt loop. V
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The leashes we have are just harnesses with the leash attached.
>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>> fasten
>>>>>>>>> with velcro in the back.  They're kind of tricky to figure out
>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> have to get the child's arms through in the right place.  We don't
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> often but if I take the twins alone I take one on a leash and the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> holds onto my cane.  I've even tied the one's cane to his leash so
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> have to spend forever looking for it if he drops it or throws it.
>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>> looking for cane tips?  That's a different story.  So far I've
>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> when the pop off.
>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I only had the opportunity to use it once and it was a real leash
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> belonged to our husky.  Gab thought it great fun to wear Shelby's
>>>>>>>>>> leash as
>>>>>>>>>> we made our way through a very busy airport in Las Angelas.  I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>> what others think as long as my child is safe. V
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've gotten comments on the leash I use for my daughter, and
>>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> been positive.
>>>>>>>>>>> Really though, I don't much care, because as parents, it is our
>>>>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep our kids safe, while still providing them and ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>> oppertunities to get out and about.
>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband doesn't have to like the leash, but he does need to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>> his child safe. Liking the leash is not a requirement for 
>>>>>>>>>>> *using*
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> leash.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't thrilled about the squeaking shoes either, so I put
>>>>>>>>>>> bells
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> son's shoes.  They are noisy, but at least it's a pleasant noise
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> listen to.  As for leashes, at least in the US, they sell really
>>>>>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>>>>>> ones that are a small backpack that looks like an animal (we 
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> monkey) and the tail of the animal is the leash.  Austin still
>>>>>>>>>>> loves
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> (not all kids do, of
>>>>>>>>>>> course) and has even named it.  Maybe I get stares when I'm out
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> public, but at least I know Austin is safe.  And, I've received 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> comments about how cute the leash is, and even what a good idea
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>> Melissa
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