[blparent] Noisy shoes

Elizabeth Cooks elizabethcooks at comcast.net
Tue Nov 18 20:28:43 UTC 2008


Better yet, hook him up with a blind adult with good travel skills to help. 
You don't have to be a licensed instructor to be a good mentor.  At this 
point, i think this child needs his mother, and perhaps a mentor.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amber Boggs" <amberboggs at socal.rr.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes


>I am jumping in way late after a long computer crash. But I wanted to point 
>out a few things. The blind childrens center here in LA is teaching kids as 
>early as the child is walking to use a cane. They start with a thing that 
>looks sort of like a walker but it is not quite a walker. I have personally 
>seen little kids with the smallest cane ever. They have pamplits and they 
>are there to help parents with little children. I can give anyone who wants 
>it the number. Rick is on the board of derectors out there. I would have to 
>agree, it is a very bad idea to have a child hold on to you cane rather 
>then holding on by some other manner.
> I have a few questions, Are you getting them proper ONM and have they seen 
> a licenced  instructor who can help?
> And Tammy, I had no idea Collen was blind. How did I miss that? Hmmm
> I had a few other thaughts, and when I remember them I will post them.
> AMber
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>
>
>>I guess we'll never know the ratios at those places, but if you were one 
>>person for, say 8 babies, I could see doing it--though it would break my 
>>heart.
>>
>> When I worked at a day-care, another staff member and I had 17 
>> one-year-olds all by ourselves.  Ratio is one adult for four children. 
>> It was a zoo.  I can't imagine having those kinds of ratios every day 
>> 24/7.
>> Barbara
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:28 PM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I honestly am at a loss for what to say that might help you.  It sounds 
>>> like you're doing the best you can with what you have, and it's hard 
>>> enough teaching things to willing learners.  I don't know how anybody 
>>> could just put two kids in a crib or swing and leave them there.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>
>>>
>>>> To some extent you're right about being frustrated.  However, with them 
>>>> frustration kicks in the minute you introduce them to something new. 
>>>> They don't want to try anything new.  You see, for the first three 
>>>> years of their life no one asked a thing of them.  They probably spent 
>>>> the whole time in a crib or a swing.  I don't know what they do with 
>>>> gobs of children in an orphanage.  The time they spent in a foster home 
>>>> I don't know what was expected of them either.  I know when they went 
>>>> back to the orphanage when we said we'd take them, the foster parents 
>>>> were at their wits' end as to what to do with them.
>>>>
>>>> They fight us tooth and nail--literally--to stay in that happy place 
>>>> they knew, one more so than the other.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:51 PM
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> No, I'm not saying that at all.  But if it's frustrating them to the 
>>>>> point they throw the cane then they're not learning anything from the 
>>>>> experience. Maybe they're showing you in their own way that they're 
>>>>> not ready for using a cane.  If they're developmentally challenged, it 
>>>>> would be sensible to keep showing them the cane, but not pressuring 
>>>>> them to use it.  Wait a bit until they ask about it or seem a little 
>>>>> interested in it and then maybe things will go better.  They're six 
>>>>> years old and not interested in the cane at all right now.  What's 
>>>>> wrong with them holding on to someone's hand if they feel comfortable 
>>>>> doing that.  Why force a cane in to their hands when they don't know 
>>>>> how to be safe with it right now?  They'll just rebell against it 
>>>>> later, and then you're back at square one again.  My son loves using 
>>>>> his cane, but he's 3 and he sees us using ours all the time so that 
>>>>> helps.  He's recently started using it at school to go from one room 
>>>>> to the other, and I'm told he uses it well. But if he didn't want to 
>>>>> use it, I wouldn't make him, and even in 3 years when he's six I 
>>>>> wouldn't pressure him to use it. He'd get tired of falling down stairs 
>>>>> and bumping in to things eventually. This isn't an issue of stopping 
>>>>> showing them how to use the cane, it's an issue of effective and safe 
>>>>> travel, and letting someone, anyone hold on to your cane for teaching 
>>>>> purposes is unsafe and dangerous for all concerned imo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tammy
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So tammy, are you saying if someone can't understand something from 
>>>>>> no fault of their own, we shouldn't try to teach them anything. this 
>>>>>> is like keeping them locked up because they are not the same as you 
>>>>>> or me. These kids are developmentally challenged and I believe they 
>>>>>> should continue trying, not give up on them in any way, shape or 
>>>>>> form. I beliee that each and everyday their mother should show them 
>>>>>> the cane and practice with it. this is how some people learn. V
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> No, you're right, not everyone's a pro at first tap, but when a 
>>>>>>> person is
>>>>>>> trying to learn how to use a cane properly they at least have the 
>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>> know what the purpose of the cane is so they can at least try to use 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> effectively.  What's the point of trying to teach him something he 
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> seem to understand?  It will just frustrate him and his mother, and 
>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>> him to not want to use the cane at all, and that's far from what 
>>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>>> involved wants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:17 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We all have to start somewhere.  Not everyone is a pro at first 
>>>>>>>> tap.
>>>>>>>> Smile. When I went to the orientation center for the blind when I 
>>>>>>>> was 29,
>>>>>>>> it was hard learning to trust it.  I always felt better holding on 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> someone.  All the instructors would show us how to hold it, where 
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> hands should be and then they would turn us out to the wild.  Some 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> were so frightened they dropped out and left the center.  Imagine 
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> scarry it is for a child to all of a sudden not be able to hold on 
>>>>>>>> to mom
>>>>>>>> anymore and not be able to see. If indeed, Barbara is just teaching 
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> letting him hold the cane it is okay, but just for walking and 
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> around it is not a good idea for either of them. V
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> If he doesn't know or has no concept of how and why to use a cane 
>>>>>>>>> then he
>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be  using one.  As for holding on to your cane, there 
>>>>>>>>> has to be
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better more safe way to travel with your children.  Not only are 
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>>>> yourself in danger when you let your child hold on to your cane, 
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> children are also in danger if you don't use safe methods of 
>>>>>>>>> traveling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is a problem we do have.  He refuses to use it correctly 
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> a good thing I know our block and other places where I have him 
>>>>>>>>>> do that.
>>>>>>>>>> Once in a while I do run into things or trip, but he has to learn
>>>>>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>>>>>> Got any ideas how to get him to hold his own cane.  We've tried
>>>>>>>>>> fastening
>>>>>>>>>> it in his hand but he hates that.  The teaching cane is the best 
>>>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>>>> I've found so far.  I'm not bragging when I say I'm a very good 
>>>>>>>>>> traveler
>>>>>>>>>> who is very aware of my surroundings because I'm not brave at all 
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> comes to new situations.
>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> having a child hold onto your cane doesn't seem especially 
>>>>>>>>>>> effective or
>>>>>>>>>>> safe to me... how can you get accurate info with someone holding 
>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>> also, what if he lets go?
>>>>>>>>>>> Dena
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, instead of holding your cane, you should have your 
>>>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>>>> hold onto your pants or belt loop. V
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The leashes we have are just harnesses with the leash 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fasten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with velcro in the back.  They're kind of tricky to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to get the child's arms through in the right place.  We 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often but if I take the twins alone I take one on a leash and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> holds onto my cane.  I've even tied the one's cane to his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash so we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to spend forever looking for it if he drops it or throws 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for cane tips?  That's a different story.  So far I've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the pop off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only had the opportunity to use it once and it was a real 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belonged to our husky.  Gab thought it great fun to wear 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shelby's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we made our way through a very busy airport in Las Angelas. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others think as long as my child is safe. V
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gotten comments on the leash I use for my daughter, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been positive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really though, I don't much care, because as parents, it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep our kids safe, while still providing them and ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppertunities to get out and about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband doesn't have to like the leash, but he does 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his child safe. Liking the leash is not a requirement for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *using* a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't thrilled about the squeaking shoes either, so I put 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> son's shoes.  They are noisy, but at least it's a pleasant 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to.  As for leashes, at least in the US, they sell 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones that are a small backpack that looks like an animal (we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkey) and the tail of the animal is the leash.  Austin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (not all kids do, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course) and has even named it.  Maybe I get stares when I'm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public, but at least I know Austin is safe.  And, I've 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> received a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments about how cute the leash is, and even what a good 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melissa
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