[blparent] Noisy shoes
Barbara Hammel
poetlori8 at msn.com
Mon Nov 17 04:29:01 UTC 2008
I guess we'll never know the ratios at those places, but if you were one
person for, say 8 babies, I could see doing it--though it would break my
heart.
When I worked at a day-care, another staff member and I had 17 one-year-olds
all by ourselves. Ratio is one adult for four children. It was a zoo. I
can't imagine having those kinds of ratios every day 24/7.
Barbara
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From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:28 PM
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
> Hi,
> I honestly am at a loss for what to say that might help you. It sounds
> like you're doing the best you can with what you have, and it's hard
> enough teaching things to willing learners. I don't know how anybody
> could just put two kids in a crib or swing and leave them there.
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>
>
>> To some extent you're right about being frustrated. However, with them
>> frustration kicks in the minute you introduce them to something new.
>> They don't want to try anything new. You see, for the first three years
>> of their life no one asked a thing of them. They probably spent the
>> whole time in a crib or a swing. I don't know what they do with gobs of
>> children in an orphanage. The time they spent in a foster home I don't
>> know what was expected of them either. I know when they went back to the
>> orphanage when we said we'd take them, the foster parents were at their
>> wits' end as to what to do with them.
>>
>> They fight us tooth and nail--literally--to stay in that happy place they
>> knew, one more so than the other.
>> Barbara
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:51 PM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> No, I'm not saying that at all. But if it's frustrating them to the
>>> point they throw the cane then they're not learning anything from the
>>> experience. Maybe they're showing you in their own way that they're not
>>> ready for using a cane. If they're developmentally challenged, it would
>>> be sensible to keep showing them the cane, but not pressuring them to
>>> use it. Wait a bit until they ask about it or seem a little interested
>>> in it and then maybe things will go better. They're six years old and
>>> not interested in the cane at all right now. What's wrong with them
>>> holding on to someone's hand if they feel comfortable doing that. Why
>>> force a cane in to their hands when they don't know how to be safe with
>>> it right now? They'll just rebell against it later, and then you're
>>> back at square one again. My son loves using his cane, but he's 3 and
>>> he sees us using ours all the time so that helps. He's recently started
>>> using it at school to go from one room to the other, and I'm told he
>>> uses it well. But if he didn't want to use it, I wouldn't make him, and
>>> even in 3 years when he's six I wouldn't pressure him to use it. He'd
>>> get tired of falling down stairs and bumping in to things eventually.
>>> This isn't an issue of stopping showing them how to use the cane, it's
>>> an issue of effective and safe travel, and letting someone, anyone hold
>>> on to your cane for teaching purposes is unsafe and dangerous for all
>>> concerned imo.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>
>>>
>>>> So tammy, are you saying if someone can't understand something from no
>>>> fault of their own, we shouldn't try to teach them anything. this is
>>>> like keeping them locked up because they are not the same as you or me.
>>>> These kids are developmentally challenged and I believe they should
>>>> continue trying, not give up on them in any way, shape or form. I
>>>> beliee that each and everyday their mother should show them the cane
>>>> and practice with it. this is how some people learn. V
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> No, you're right, not everyone's a pro at first tap, but when a person
>>>>> is
>>>>> trying to learn how to use a cane properly they at least have the
>>>>> ability to
>>>>> know what the purpose of the cane is so they can at least try to use
>>>>> it
>>>>> effectively. What's the point of trying to teach him something he
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> seem to understand? It will just frustrate him and his mother, and
>>>>> cause
>>>>> him to not want to use the cane at all, and that's far from what
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> involved wants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tammy
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have to start somewhere. Not everyone is a pro at first tap.
>>>>>> Smile. When I went to the orientation center for the blind when I was
>>>>>> 29,
>>>>>> it was hard learning to trust it. I always felt better holding on to
>>>>>> someone. All the instructors would show us how to hold it, where our
>>>>>> hands should be and then they would turn us out to the wild. Some
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> were so frightened they dropped out and left the center. Imagine how
>>>>>> scarry it is for a child to all of a sudden not be able to hold on to
>>>>>> mom
>>>>>> anymore and not be able to see. If indeed, Barbara is just teaching
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> letting him hold the cane it is okay, but just for walking and
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> around it is not a good idea for either of them. V
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:10 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> If he doesn't know or has no concept of how and why to use a cane
>>>>>>> then he
>>>>>>> shouldn't be using one. As for holding on to your cane, there has
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> better more safe way to travel with your children. Not only are you
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> yourself in danger when you let your child hold on to your cane,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> children are also in danger if you don't use safe methods of
>>>>>>> traveling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tammy
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is a problem we do have. He refuses to use it correctly
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a good thing I know our block and other places where I have him do
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> Once in a while I do run into things or trip, but he has to learn
>>>>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>>>> Got any ideas how to get him to hold his own cane. We've tried
>>>>>>>> fastening
>>>>>>>> it in his hand but he hates that. The teaching cane is the best
>>>>>>>> method
>>>>>>>> I've found so far. I'm not bragging when I say I'm a very good
>>>>>>>> traveler
>>>>>>>> who is very aware of my surroundings because I'm not brave at all
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> comes to new situations.
>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Dena Wainwright" <autumnrose21 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> having a child hold onto your cane doesn't seem especially
>>>>>>>>> effective or
>>>>>>>>> safe to me... how can you get accurate info with someone holding
>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>> also, what if he lets go?
>>>>>>>>> Dena
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally, instead of holding your cane, you should have your
>>>>>>>>>> child
>>>>>>>>>> hold onto your pants or belt loop. V
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The leashes we have are just harnesses with the leash attached.
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> fasten
>>>>>>>>>>> with velcro in the back. They're kind of tricky to figure out
>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>> have to get the child's arms through in the right place. We
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> often but if I take the twins alone I take one on a leash and
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> holds onto my cane. I've even tied the one's cane to his leash
>>>>>>>>>>> so we
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have to spend forever looking for it if he drops it or throws
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>>> looking for cane tips? That's a different story. So far I've
>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> when the pop off.
>>>>>>>>>>> Barbara
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I only had the opportunity to use it once and it was a real
>>>>>>>>>>>> leash
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> belonged to our husky. Gab thought it great fun to wear
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shelby's
>>>>>>>>>>>> leash as
>>>>>>>>>>>> we made our way through a very busy airport in Las Angelas. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>>>>>> what others think as long as my child is safe. V
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gotten comments on the leash I use for my daughter, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been positive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really though, I don't much care, because as parents, it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our job
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep our kids safe, while still providing them and ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppertunities to get out and about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your husband doesn't have to like the leash, but he does need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his child safe. Liking the leash is not a requirement for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *using* a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Melissa Ann Riccobono
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] Noisy shoes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't thrilled about the squeaking shoes either, so I put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bells
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> son's shoes. They are noisy, but at least it's a pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> noise to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to. As for leashes, at least in the US, they sell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones that are a small backpack that looks like an animal (we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monkey) and the tail of the animal is the leash. Austin still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (not all kids do, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course) and has even named it. Maybe I get stares when I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> public, but at least I know Austin is safe. And, I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> received a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments about how cute the leash is, and even what a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Melissa
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