[blparent] toddler in crowds

Deborah Kent Stein dkent5817 at att.net
Mon May 10 14:46:30 UTC 2010 


Here here  - let's put this aside and move on, guys!

Debbie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds


> Why don't you get a life, or at least a spell checker?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:26 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>> No, you're not.  I said nothing about todlers or preschoolers.  When i 
>> say "outgrow"  I mean by elementary schol age when children are expected 
>> to sit for longer periods.  I also used the words "might be a 
>> possibility", not "does have" or "is going to have".  I ma perfectly well 
>> aware of what is acceptable at toddler and preschool age, thank you very 
>> much.  Sorry about the post, everyone.  Just clarifying a few things 
>> here.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>>>I am paying attention.  There is no such thing as hyperactivity disorder 
>>>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just because 
>>>a toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD.  Even putting 
>>>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to 
>>>> worry
>>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities.  Of course, 
>>>> it's
>>>> possible, but so are a lot of things.  I guess maybe I have heard too 
>>>> many
>>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could 
>>>> happen,
>>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.  In 
>>>> fact, my
>>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of about 
>>>> five
>>>> years.  Lol, I'd like to think I did, though.  I guess what I'm saying 
>>>> is
>>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that 
>>>> there
>>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
>>>> behavior.  In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD, unless 
>>>> the
>>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away.  No offense intended 
>>>> here, but
>>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way.  In other
>>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves?  Have a good week everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Joy and family
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>>
>>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that.  Pay attention.  The operative word
>>>> hereis "if".
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, back up the bus.  Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>>>>> something that all toddlers do.  There is absolutely no reason in the
>>>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age.  I have a pretty good deal 
>>>>> of
>>>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
>>>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers.  I'm not meaning 
>>>>> to be
>>>>
>>>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
>>>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
>>>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays.  The child 
>>>>> leash
>>>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps 
>>>>> also.
>>>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button. 
>>>>> The
>>>>> child wears a beeper that goes off.  Teaching a child to answer when
>>>>> called is good as he gets older.  But to be perfectly honest, I've 
>>>>> found
>>>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah 
>>>>> in a
>>>>> crowd.  Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
>>>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available. 
>>>>> I
>>>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can 
>>>>> because
>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah 
>>>>> to
>>>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds.  It will probably put some 
>>>>> super
>>>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's 
>>>>> safety,
>>>>
>>>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
>>>>> unless I have a sighted companion.  That may change as Sarah gets 
>>>>> older
>>>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a 
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day 
>>>>> instead
>>>>
>>>>> of just being in the same room.
>>>>> F
>>>>> or what it's worth,
>>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep a child leash on him.  If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>>>>>>> Anyway
>>>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who 
>>>>>>> loves
>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We 
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it 
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>>>>>>> singers
>>>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center. 
>>>>>>> well
>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>>>>>>> toddler
>>>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> rely
>>>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and 
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my 
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around 
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>> another one.
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>>>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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