[blparent] Toddler in crowds
Shannan Zinck
shannanzinck at gmail.com
Tue May 11 23:51:53 UTC 2010
Yeah the 3rd person is probably the best.
Yes my son does go steady but, mostly walks around and laughs at everything.
He's not loud or annoying he just moves all the time even in his sleep. He
can focus pretty good even at his age and if he is interested in something
in particular he can stay with it for quite a while. Right now that is
dancing and the potty.
The crowd thing is the bigger issue here as he is not shy at all and a
shelter is no place for a toddler but, in this case I had no choice but, to
bring him as it was out of town and I am supposed to bring him whenever I go
to where his birth mom lives so she can see him. He is too young to teach
him not to play with everyone he sees so protection and safety are the keys
here. My boy is an entertainer and a social bug. bad combo in certain
settings.
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> 12. Re: toddler in crowds (Tammy, Paul and Colyn)
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:14:00 -0600
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> Even at age 10, mine gets distracted at each and every commercial that hits
> the screen. But no ADD here. Those that think this behavior is abnormal
> are
> usually those parents who's own children are very hyper and uncontrolable.
> 2 year olds live in a world all to their own, not old enough to understand
> danger and too old to be placed in a playpen when mom and dad are too busy
> to watch them. V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to worry
> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course, it's
> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too many
> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
> happen,
> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In fact,
> my
> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of about
> five
> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying is
> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that there
> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD, unless the
> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended here,
> but
> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In other
> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>
> Joy and family
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
> hereis "if".
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at the
> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
> be
>
> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> > about a problem that isn't there.
> >
> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child leash
> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button. The
> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've found
> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in a
> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available. I
> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> because
>
> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah to
> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some super
> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
> safety,
>
> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets older
> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a lot
> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
> instead
>
> > of just being in the same room.
> > F
> > or what it's worth,
> > Jo Elizabeth
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >> possibility.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>> Anyway
> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> loves
>
> >>> to
> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We were
> >>> at
> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> really
> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>> singers
> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>> friends
> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> well
>
> >>> I
> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>> toddler
> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>> rely
> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>> him
> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining to
> >>> know
> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> friends
> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> every
> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>> taking
> >>> another one.
> >>> --
> >>> Shannan Zinck
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:19 -0600
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> I agree. In that kind of situation, a third person who assigned to your
> child is a must in my opinion. If you can't place your child on your
> shoulders and during choir practice might not be a good idea, but leaving
> him with a responsible person that you chose is a good idea. If it were me,
> I'd leave him at home. V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> In that particular case, though, she was in the choir or whatever it was,
> but in any case, she was a participant. In that kind of situation, it is
> difficult ot keep an eye on the child oneself.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> >I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I go
> out
>
> >with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an eye
> >on her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying
> >with her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has to
> >answer me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and she
> >has to stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to
> >teach him to come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off
> >playing somewhere else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort, but
> I
>
> >think it pays off in the long run.
> >
> > -- Allie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity disorder
> >>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just because
> a
>
> >>toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even putting
> >>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
> >>
> >> Jo Elizabeth
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
> >>> worry
> >>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
> >>> it's
> >>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
> >>> many
> >>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
> >>> happen,
> >>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
> >>> fact, my
> >>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of about
> >>> five
> >>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying
> >>> is
> >>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
> >>> there
> >>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
> >>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
> >>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD, unless
> >>> the
> >>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
> here,
>
> >>> but
> >>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In other
> >>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
> >>>
> >>> Joy and family
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
> >>> hereis "if".
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> >>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> >>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
> >>>> the
> >>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal
> of
> >>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
> >>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning
> to
>
> >>>> be
> >>>
> >>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> >>>> about a problem that isn't there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> >>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
> >>>> leash
> >>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
> also.
> >>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
> >>>> The
> >>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> >>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
> >>>> found
> >>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah
> in
>
> >>>> a
> >>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> >>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
> >>>> I
> >>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> >>>> because
> >>>
> >>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah
> >>>> to
> >>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
> >>>> super
> >>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
> >>>> safety,
> >>>
> >>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
> >>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
> older
> >>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
> >>>> lot
> >>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
> >>>> instead
> >>>
> >>>> of just being in the same room.
> >>>> F
> >>>> or what it's worth,
> >>>> Jo Elizabeth
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> possibility.
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>>>> Anyway
> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>>>> loves
> >>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>>>> really
> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>>>> singers
> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>>>> friends
> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>>>> well
> >>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>>>> toddler
> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
> to
> >>>>>> rely
> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
> >>>>>> had
> >>>>>> him
> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> know
> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>>>> friends
> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>>>> every
> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>>>> taking
> >>>>>> another one.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
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> On the other hand, my daughter loves to hold my hand all the time. V
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> Great Advice, Allie, and I think the answering thing is crucial.
> Currently,
> my son is having a challenge remembering to do this, and he's spending a
> lot
> of time holding my hand, which he also hates, lol. That's our rule,
> though,
> if you don't answer me you have to hold my hand. Even my 7-year-old knows
> that if she doesn't answer she's going to get very embarrassed while she
> walks around holding my hand, lol. Having said that, I've taken my kids to
> many of our main tourist attractions here in the Chicago area, the zoo, the
> museum, the aquarium. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but I just love
> to get out with my kids. Having said that, it can also be a little, ok a
> lot, scary going out into crowded places like that. Harnesses are very
> nice, and are a great way to keep the young ones close, as no matter what
> we
> try to do when they're a certain age they will sometimes wander. Take
> care.
>
> Joy and family
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Allie
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:56 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I go
> out
> with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an eye
> on
>
> her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying with
> her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has to
> answer
>
> me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and she has to
> stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to teach him
> to
>
> come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off playing somewhere
> else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort, but I think it pays off
> in the long run.
>
> -- Allie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> >I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity disorder
> in
>
> >toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just because a
> >toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even putting
> >that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
> >
> > Jo Elizabeth
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
> >> worry
> >> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
> it's
> >> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
> >> many
> >> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
> >> happen,
> >> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
> fact,
>
> >> my
> >> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of about
> >> five
> >> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying
> is
> >> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
> there
> >> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
> >> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
> >> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD, unless
> >> the
> >> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended here,
> >> but
> >> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In other
> >> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
> >>
> >> Joy and family
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
> >> hereis "if".
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> >>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> >>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
> >>> the
> >>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
> >>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
> >>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
> >>> be
> >>
> >>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> >>> about a problem that isn't there.
> >>>
> >>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> >>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
> leash
> >>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
> >>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
> >>> The
> >>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> >>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
> found
> >>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in
> >>> a
> >>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> >>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
> >>> I
> >>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> >>> because
> >>
> >>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah
> >>> to
> >>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
> super
> >>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
> >>> safety,
> >>
> >>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
> >>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets older
> >>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
> >>> lot
> >>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
> >>> instead
> >>
> >>> of just being in the same room.
> >>> F
> >>> or what it's worth,
> >>> Jo Elizabeth
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
> a
> >>>> possibility.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>>> Anyway
> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>>> loves
> >>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> >>>>> were
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>>> really
> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>>> singers
> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>>> friends
> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>>> well
> >>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>>> toddler
> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>>>> rely
> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
> had
> >>>>> him
> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> know
> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>>> friends
> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>>> every
> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>>> taking
> >>>>> another one.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:23:09 -0600
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> She brought it up to touch all the possibilities of what could happen at
> any
> given age, not necessarily meaning that this is what was going on. V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> Hi,
>
> He's 15 months old, why would you even bring it up at all? I don't know
> too
>
> many small kids who don't wander away and get distracted easily.
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> >I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
> >hereis "if".
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> >> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> >> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
> the
>
> >> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
> >> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
> >> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
> >> be rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> >> about a problem that isn't there.
> >>
> >> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> >> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child leash
> >> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
> >> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
> The
>
> >> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> >> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've found
> >> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in
> a
>
> >> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> >> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
> I
>
> >> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> >> because I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
> >> Sarah to have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
> >> some super turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
> >> child's safety, I've personally decided that there are some places I'd
> >> rather not go unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as
> >> Sarah gets older and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out
> >> often and have a lot of friends, and that I do things with her at home
> >> every single day instead of just being in the same room.
> >> F
> >> or what it's worth,
> >> Jo Elizabeth
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >>> possibility.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>> Anyway
> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>> loves to
> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> were
>
> >>>> at
> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>> really
> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>> singers
> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>> well I
> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>> toddler
> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>>> rely
> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>>> him
> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> to
>
> >>>> know
> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>> every
> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>> taking
> >>>> another one.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> blparent mailing list
> >>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:50 -0600
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> Jo elizabeth, just because someone mentioned it, it doesn't mean it is so
> like you said. It was just a thought that in some cases, not necessarily
> meaning this one, it could happen. I think she was saying in some realms
> it is a possibility. Of course, you are right not at age 2. But it is
> nice
> to know what is out there. It is nice to know what exists for the future.
> V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some day.
> Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma, but it's
> not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not because
> they
>
> wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry about
> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >
> > Tammy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >> possibility.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>> Anyway
> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> loves
>
> >>> to
> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We were
> >>> at
> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> really
> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>> singers
> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>> friends
> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> well
>
> >>> I
> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>> toddler
> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>> rely
> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>> him
> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining to
> >>> know
> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> friends
> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> every
> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>> taking
> >>> another one.
> >>> --
> >>> Shannan Zinck
> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> blparent mailing list
> >>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> That's what I just said. V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry about.
> Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if you're
> not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry about
> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >
> > Tammy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >> possibility.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>> Anyway
> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> loves
>
> >>> to
> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We were
> >>> at
> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> really
> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>> singers
> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>> friends
> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> well
>
> >>> I
> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>> toddler
> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>> rely
> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>> him
> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining to
> >>> know
> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> friends
> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> every
> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>> taking
> >>> another one.
> >>> --
> >>> Shannan Zinck
> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:21:04 -0600
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
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> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>
>
>
> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office, was
> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>
>
>
> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>
> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't list
> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Housewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif%27Housewife>
> '
> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>
>
>
> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>
>
>
> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and possessed of
> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town Registrar."
>
>
>
> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>
> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>
> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
> Relations."
>
>
>
> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as though
> she had not heard right.
>
> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words. Then
> I
> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black ink on
> the official questionnaire.
>
>
>
> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in your
> field?"
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>
> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself reply, "I
> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and out).
> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole family) and
> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one of
> the
> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and I
> often
> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more challenging
> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
> satisfaction rather than just money."
>
> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>
>
>
> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I was
> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could hear
> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child development
> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>
>
>
> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the official
> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind than
> "just another Mom."
>
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMotherhood
> !
> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>
>
>
> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field of
> Child Development and Human Relations"
>
> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>
> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
> Assistants."
>
>
>
> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends you
> know.
>
>
>
> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but happiness
> come through your door!
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> Live simply.
>
> Love generously.
>
> Care deeply.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:52:04 -0400
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> Message-ID: <4DA9BE1D187E40569B7A1C670697625C at tammyPC>
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> Hi,
>
> Agreed!
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
> > day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma,
> but
> > it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not
> > because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
> about
> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >>
> >> Tammy
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >>> possibility.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>> Anyway
> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>> loves to
> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> were
> >>>> at
> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>> really
> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>> singers
> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>> well I
> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>> toddler
> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>>> rely
> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>>> him
> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> to
> >>>> know
> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>> every
> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>> taking
> >>>> another one.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> blparent mailing list
> >>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:54:22 -0300
> From: Shannan Zinck <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in the
> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some parents
> would be very bothered by that statement.
>
> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be realized
> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around him
> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from spending
> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the reasons we
> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's not
> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>
> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and thankfully
> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They were
> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship team
> to
> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing at
> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles hardly
> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even now
> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would call
> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
> anyone
> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him and I
> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and crowds
> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I use
> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not sure I
> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm the
> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it was
> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that I'm
> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I know
> how. Some family members are against this because there was mistreatment
> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash and
> they associate a harness the same way.
>
> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to go.
> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>
> --
> Shannan Zinck
> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:44:09 -0600
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
> Message-ID: <001a01caf0bc$36ce7b60$a46b7220$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I thought our group needed a little cheering up. v
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:21 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>
> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>
>
>
> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office, was
> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>
>
>
> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>
> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't list
> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Housewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif%27Housewife>
> '
> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>
>
>
> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>
>
>
> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and possessed of
> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town Registrar."
>
>
>
> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>
> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>
> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
> Relations."
>
>
>
> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as though
> she had not heard right.
>
> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words. Then
> I
> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black ink on
> the official questionnaire.
>
>
>
> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in your
> field?"
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>
> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself reply, "I
> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and out).
> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole family) and
> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one of
> the
> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and I
> often
> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more challenging
> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
> satisfaction rather than just money."
>
> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>
>
>
> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I was
> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could hear
> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child development
> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>
>
>
> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the official
> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind than
> "just another Mom."
>
>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMotherhood
> !
> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>
>
>
> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field of
> Child Development and Human Relations"
>
> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>
> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
> Assistants."
>
>
>
> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends you
> know.
>
>
>
> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but happiness
> come through your door!
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> Live simply.
>
> Love generously.
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> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
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> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too many
> toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to touch.
> That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different, some
> wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't care and
> are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first one who
> glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be fine in
> all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red die,
> some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in the
> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some parents
> would be very bothered by that statement.
>
> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be realized
> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around him
> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from spending
> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the reasons we
> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's not
> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>
> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and thankfully
> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They were
> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship team
> to
> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing at
> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles hardly
> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even now
> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would call
> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
> anyone
> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him and I
> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and crowds
> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I use
> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not sure I
> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm the
> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it was
> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that I'm
> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I know
> how. Some family members are against this because there was mistreatment
> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash and
> they associate a harness the same way.
>
> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to go.
> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>
> --
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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:14:51 -0400
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> Hi,
>
> Yes I agree with that, but why should a mother of a 15 month old child have
> to worry or get more info on a condition that her child doesn't have? Why
> would you raise this issue on the list about a child who's so young?
>
> Tammy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > That's what I just said. V
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> > Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry about.
> > Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if
> > you're
> > not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
> about
> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >>
> >> Tammy
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >>> possibility.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>> Anyway
> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>> loves
> >
> >>>> to
> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> were
> >>>> at
> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>> really
> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>> singers
> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>> well
> >
> >>>> I
> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>> toddler
> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>>> rely
> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>>> him
> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> to
> >>>> know
> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>> friends
> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>> every
> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>> taking
> >>>> another one.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:54:39 -0600
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone who is
> going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor. there's a
> big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but certainly not
> theonly
> one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Agreed!
> >
> > Tammy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
> >> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma,
> >> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not
> >> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
> >>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >>>
> >>> Tammy
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
> a
> >>>> possibility.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>>> Anyway
> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>>> loves to
> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> >>>>> were at
> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>>> really
> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>>> singers
> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>>> friends
> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>>> well I
> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>>> toddler
> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>>>> rely
> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
> had
> >>>>> him
> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> >>>>> to know
> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>>> friends
> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>>> every
> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>>> taking
> >>>>> another one.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:40:57 -0600
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> My son had his first taste of sidewalk chalk yesterday...Literally. Lol.
> He likes to study things and figure them out.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too many
> > toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to touch.
> > That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different, some
> > wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't care
> and
> > are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first one
> who
> > glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be fine
> > in
> > all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red die,
> > some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> > Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
> > advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in
> > the
> > first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
> > parents
> > would be very bothered by that statement.
> >
> > While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be realized
> > which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around
> him
> > and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
> > circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from spending
> > time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the reasons
> > we
> > needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's
> > not
> > a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
> >
> > A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
> thankfully
> > my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
> were
> > even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship team
> > to
> > be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing at
> > special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles hardly
> > plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
> > interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even
> > now
> > can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
> call
> > hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
> > anyone
> > which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him and
> > I
> > are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and crowds
> > freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
> > overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I
> use
> > to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not sure
> I
> > am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm the
> > problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it
> > was
> > cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that I'm
> > visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
> know
> > how. Some family members are against this because there was mistreatment
> > years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash and
> > they associate a harness the same way.
> >
> > I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to go.
> > thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
> >
> > --
> > Shannan Zinck
> > Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:14:13 -0700
> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>
> I totally agree with everything in this post. The issue is making sure
> that our kids get a chance to have a full rich set of experiences, and if
> utilizing sighted friends hakes that fuller and richer than I think that is
> just as valuable as the leash. I never used the harness, however now that
> my son is 13-years-old, I may need to start trying it out.
>
> One thing that Jordan did pretty well right from the beginning is he would
> make a point of checking in with me every 5 minutes or so by just coming
> over and putting his hand on my knee or something. It is not something
> that
> I necessarily taught him directly, but just as a matter of course no matter
> what we were doing, I'd always ask him what he was doing, and can I see.
> It
> was always light and fun, and he made it a habit to just come over rather
> than doing the "mama look" thing that allot of tottalers do.
>
> This helped me out in crowds as he just made it a habit of always keeping
> physical and verbal contact with me.
>
> It's more of a habit development rather than a good or bad behavior.
>
> Just another perspective.
>
> Amy M-H----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at the
> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
> be
> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> > about a problem that isn't there.
> >
> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child leash
> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button. The
> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've found
> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in a
> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available. I
> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> because
> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah to
> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some super
> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
> safety,
> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets older
> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a lot
> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
> instead
> > of just being in the same room.
> > F
> > or what it's worth,
> > Jo Elizabeth
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be a
> >> possibility.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>> Anyway
> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> loves
> >>> to
> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We were
> >>> at
> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> really
> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>> singers
> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>> friends
> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> well
> >>> I
> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>> toddler
> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
> >>> rely
> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and had
> >>> him
> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining to
> >>> know
> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> friends
> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> every
> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>> taking
> >>> another one.
> >>> --
> >>> Shannan Zinck
> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:26:37 -0700
> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> The issue with this, is can the child focus when needed and interested.
> Not
> does he/she move around allot.
>
> Kids especially boys have so much energy, and it is critical that they
> spend
> it. When they cut PE from Jordan's school, he got in trouble every day. He
> still does in middle school for being too figity. I made arrangements with
> his teachers, in elementary school, for him to have the opportunity to run
> around the playground when he could not sit still. Our society is so much
> different than it use to be for kids. Two things are happening.
>
> 1. The kids are changing, and they just sit in front of a TV or computer or
> something, and obesity may become an issue, or
> 2. They have a higher risk of being labeled.
>
> As blind parents, it is even more important that we get our kids out and
> moving. We all know what it is like to cary labels,and I know I fight even
> harder to make sure labels don't get attached to my children if they don't
> have to be.
>
> ADD and ADHD is very real however. My husband has ADD, and he really has
> trouble with completing tasks, maintaining long sequenced trains of
> thoughts, and all kinds of other issues that impact his life because his
> parents did not address it when he was a kid.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > My son is school age and still doesn't like to sit for any length of
> time.
> > But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him.
> >
> > Tammy
> >
> > Tammydoesn't mean
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> No, you're not. I said nothing about todlers or preschoolers. When i
> >> say "outgrow" I mean by elementary schol age when children are expected
> >> to sit for longer periods. I also used the words "might be a
> >> possibility", not "does have" or "is going to have". I ma perfectly
> well
> >> aware of what is acceptable at toddler and preschool age, thank you very
> >> much. Sorry about the post, everyone. Just clarifying a few things
> >> here.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity disorder
> >>>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just because
> >>>a toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
> putting
> >>>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
> >>>
> >>> Jo Elizabeth
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
> >>>> worry
> >>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
> >>>> it's
> >>>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
> >>>> many
> >>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
> >>>> happen,
> >>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
> >>>> fact, my
> >>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
> about
> >>>> five
> >>>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying
> >>>> is
> >>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
> >>>> there
> >>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
> >>>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
> >>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
> unless
> >>>> the
> >>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
> >>>> here, but
> >>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
> other
> >>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joy and family
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> ]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
> >>>> hereis "if".
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
> >>>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
> >>>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
> not
> >>>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning
> >>>>> to be
> >>>>
> >>>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
> >>>>> about a problem that isn't there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
> >>>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
> >>>>> leash
> >>>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
> >>>>> also.
> >>>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
> >>>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
> >>>>> found
> >>>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah
> >>>>> in a
> >>>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
> >>>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
> available.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
> >>>>> because
> >>>>
> >>>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
> Sarah
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
> >>>>> super
> >>>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
> >>>>> safety,
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
> >>>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
> >>>>> older
> >>>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
> >>>>> lot
> >>>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
> >>>>> instead
> >>>>
> >>>>> of just being in the same room.
> >>>>> F
> >>>>> or what it's worth,
> >>>>> Jo Elizabeth
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
> be
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> possibility.
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>>>>> Anyway
> >>>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>>>>> loves
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> >>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>>>>> singers
> >>>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>>>>> friends
> >>>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>>>>> well
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>>>>> toddler
> >>>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> rely
> >>>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
> >>>>>>> had
> >>>>>>> him
> >>>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>>>>> friends
> >>>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>>>>> every
> >>>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>>>>> taking
> >>>>>>> another one.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:05 -0600
> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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> But Shannon never said her little boy was running like a motor all the
> time.
> Besides, what fifteen-month-old doesn't?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:54 AM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>
> > We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone who
> > is going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
> > there's a big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but
> certainly
> > not theonly one.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Agreed!
> >>
> >> Tammy
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>
> >>
> >>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
> >>> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma,
> >>> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's
> not
> >>> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
> >>>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tammy
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
> >>>>> a possibility.
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
> >>>>>> Anyway
> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
> >>>>>> loves to
> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
> >>>>>> were at
> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
> >>>>>> really
> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
> >>>>>> singers
> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
> >>>>>> friends
> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
> >>>>>> well I
> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
> >>>>>> toddler
> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
> to
> >>>>>> rely
> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
> >>>>>> had him
> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
> >>>>>> to know
> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
> >>>>>> friends
> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
> >>>>>> every
> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
> >>>>>> taking
> >>>>>> another one.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> blparent mailing list
> >>>>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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