[blparent] Toddler in crowds
Elizabeth Cooks
elizabethcooks at comcast.net
Wed May 12 00:55:56 UTC 2010
Sounds like you have a very adorable and very busy little boy. Lol. I
worry about angelica being friendly with people she doesn't know, too. And
she's five.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
> Yeah the 3rd person is probably the best.
>
> Yes my son does go steady but, mostly walks around and laughs at
> everything.
> He's not loud or annoying he just moves all the time even in his sleep. He
> can focus pretty good even at his age and if he is interested in something
> in particular he can stay with it for quite a while. Right now that is
> dancing and the potty.
>
> The crowd thing is the bigger issue here as he is not shy at all and a
> shelter is no place for a toddler but, in this case I had no choice but,
> to
> bring him as it was out of town and I am supposed to bring him whenever I
> go
> to where his birth mom lives so she can see him. He is too young to teach
> him not to play with everyone he sees so protection and safety are the
> keys
> here. My boy is an entertainer and a social bug. bad combo in certain
> settings.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM, <blparent-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:14:00 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> Even at age 10, mine gets distracted at each and every commercial that
>> hits
>> the screen. But no ADD here. Those that think this behavior is abnormal
>> are
>> usually those parents who's own children are very hyper and
>> uncontrolable.
>> 2 year olds live in a world all to their own, not old enough to
>> understand
>> danger and too old to be placed in a playpen when mom and dad are too
>> busy
>> to watch them. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>> worry
>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course, it's
>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
>> many
>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>> happen,
>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In fact,
>> my
>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of about
>> five
>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying is
>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that there
>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD, unless
>> the
>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended here,
>> but
>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In other
>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>
>> Joy and family
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
>> hereis "if".
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
>> > the
>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
>> be
>>
>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>> >
>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> > leash
>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
>> > The
>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> > found
>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in
>> > a
>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
>> > I
>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> because
>>
>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah
>> > to
>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> > super
>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> safety,
>>
>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets older
>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
>> > lot
>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> instead
>>
>> > of just being in the same room.
>> > F
>> > or what it's worth,
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:19 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> I agree. In that kind of situation, a third person who assigned to your
>> child is a must in my opinion. If you can't place your child on your
>> shoulders and during choir practice might not be a good idea, but leaving
>> him with a responsible person that you chose is a good idea. If it were
>> me,
>> I'd leave him at home. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:02 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> In that particular case, though, she was in the choir or whatever it was,
>> but in any case, she was a participant. In that kind of situation, it is
>> difficult ot keep an eye on the child oneself.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I go
>> out
>>
>> >with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an
>> >eye
>> >on her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying
>> >with her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has
>> >to
>> >answer me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and
>> >she
>> >has to stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to
>> >teach him to come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off
>> >playing somewhere else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort,
>> >but
>> I
>>
>> >think it pays off in the long run.
>> >
>> > -- Allie
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>> >>disorder
>> >>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>> >>because
>> a
>>
>> >>toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even putting
>> >>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >>
>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>> >>> worry
>> >>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
>> >>> it's
>> >>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
>> >>> many
>> >>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>> >>> happen,
>> >>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
>> >>> fact, my
>> >>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>> >>> about
>> >>> five
>> >>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>> >>> saying
>> >>> is
>> >>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
>> >>> there
>> >>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>> >>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> >>> unless
>> >>> the
>> >>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
>> here,
>>
>> >>> but
>> >>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>> >>> other
>> >>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joy and family
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>> On
>> >>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
>> >>> word
>> >>> hereis "if".
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>> >>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal
>> of
>> >>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning
>> to
>>
>> >>>> be
>> >>>
>> >>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >>>> bells
>> >>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>> >>>> difficult.
>> >>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> >>>> leash
>> >>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> also.
>> >>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
>> >>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> >>>> found
>> >>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah
>> in
>>
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>> >>>> avoid
>> >>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> >>>> available.
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> >>>> because
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>> >>>> Sarah
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> >>>> super
>> >>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> >>>> safety,
>> >>>
>> >>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
>> >>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
>> older
>> >>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> lot
>> >>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> >>>> instead
>> >>>
>> >>>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>>> F
>> >>>> or what it's worth,
>> >>>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> possibility.
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>>>> loves
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>>>>> were
>> >>>>>> at
>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>>>> really
>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
>> >>>>>> my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>> well
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> to
>> >>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>>>>> had
>> >>>>>> him
>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>>> straining
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> know
>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>>>> every
>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:21:41 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> On the other hand, my daughter loves to hold my hand all the time. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:50 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Great Advice, Allie, and I think the answering thing is crucial.
>> Currently,
>> my son is having a challenge remembering to do this, and he's spending a
>> lot
>> of time holding my hand, which he also hates, lol. That's our rule,
>> though,
>> if you don't answer me you have to hold my hand. Even my 7-year-old
>> knows
>> that if she doesn't answer she's going to get very embarrassed while she
>> walks around holding my hand, lol. Having said that, I've taken my kids
>> to
>> many of our main tourist attractions here in the Chicago area, the zoo,
>> the
>> museum, the aquarium. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but I just
>> love
>> to get out with my kids. Having said that, it can also be a little, ok a
>> lot, scary going out into crowded places like that. Harnesses are very
>> nice, and are a great way to keep the young ones close, as no matter what
>> we
>> try to do when they're a certain age they will sometimes wander. Take
>> care.
>>
>> Joy and family
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Allie
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:56 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I go
>> out
>> with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an eye
>> on
>>
>> her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying
>> with
>> her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has to
>> answer
>>
>> me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and she has to
>> stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to teach him
>> to
>>
>> come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off playing somewhere
>> else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort, but I think it pays
>> off
>> in the long run.
>>
>> -- Allie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity disorder
>> in
>>
>> >toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just because a
>> >toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even putting
>> >that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>> >> worry
>> >> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
>> it's
>> >> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
>> >> many
>> >> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>> >> happen,
>> >> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
>> fact,
>>
>> >> my
>> >> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>> >> about
>> >> five
>> >> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm saying
>> is
>> >> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
>> there
>> >> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal toddler
>> >> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>> >> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> >> unless
>> >> the
>> >> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
>> >> here,
>> >> but
>> >> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>> >> other
>> >> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>
>> >> Joy and family
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
>> >> hereis "if".
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>> >>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
>> >>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
>> >>> the
>> >>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal
>> >>> of
>> >>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
>> >>> not
>> >>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning
>> >>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>
>> >>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
>> >>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
>> >>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> leash
>> >>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> >>> also.
>> >>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
>> >>> The
>> >>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
>> >>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> found
>> >>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah
>> >>> in
>> >>> a
>> >>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
>> >>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> >>> available.
>> >>> I
>> >>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> >>> because
>> >>
>> >>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>> >>> Sarah
>> >>> to
>> >>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> super
>> >>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> >>> safety,
>> >>
>> >>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
>> >>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
>> >>> older
>> >>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> >>> instead
>> >>
>> >>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>> F
>> >>> or what it's worth,
>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
>> >>>> be
>> a
>> >>>> possibility.
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>>> loves
>> >>
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>>>> were
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>>> really
>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>>> singers
>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> >>>>> well
>> >>
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>>> toddler
>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> rely
>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> had
>> >>>>> him
>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>> straining
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> know
>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>>> every
>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>>>> taking
>> >>>>> another one.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:23:09 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> She brought it up to touch all the possibilities of what could happen at
>> any
>> given age, not necessarily meaning that this is what was going on. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> He's 15 months old, why would you even bring it up at all? I don't know
>> too
>>
>> many small kids who don't wander away and get distracted easily.
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative word
>> >hereis "if".
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>> >> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
>> >> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
>> the
>>
>> >> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal
>> >> of
>> >> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
>> >> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning
>> >> to
>> >> be rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >> bells
>> >> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>
>> >> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
>> >> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> >> leash
>> >> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> >> also.
>> >> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
>> The
>>
>> >> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
>> >> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> >> found
>> >> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah
>> >> in
>> a
>>
>> >> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
>> >> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
>> I
>>
>> >> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> >> because I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable
>> >> for
>> >> Sarah to have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
>> >> some super turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
>> >> child's safety, I've personally decided that there are some places I'd
>> >> rather not go unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as
>> >> Sarah gets older and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out
>> >> often and have a lot of friends, and that I do things with her at home
>> >> every single day instead of just being in the same room.
>> >> F
>> >> or what it's worth,
>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>> loves to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> were
>>
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> >>>> well I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> to
>>
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> blparent mailing list
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:50 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> Jo elizabeth, just because someone mentioned it, it doesn't mean it is so
>> like you said. It was just a thought that in some cases, not necessarily
>> meaning this one, it could happen. I think she was saying in some
>> realms
>> it is a possibility. Of course, you are right not at age 2. But it is
>> nice
>> to know what is out there. It is nice to know what exists for the
>> future.
>> V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
>> day.
>> Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma, but
>> it's
>> not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not because
>> they
>>
>> wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> > about
>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:27:23 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> That's what I just said. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry about.
>> Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if
>> you're
>> not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> > about
>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:21:04 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
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>>
>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>>
>>
>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office, was
>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>
>>
>>
>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>
>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>> list
>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Housewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif%27Housewife>
>> '
>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and possessed
>> of
>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town Registrar."
>>
>>
>>
>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>
>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>
>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>> Relations."
>>
>>
>>
>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as though
>> she had not heard right.
>>
>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>> Then
>> I
>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black ink on
>> the official questionnaire.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>> your
>> field?"
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>
>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself reply,
>> "I
>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and out).
>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole family)
>> and
>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one of
>> the
>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and I
>> often
>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>> challenging
>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>
>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I was
>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could hear
>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child development
>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>> official
>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind than
>> "just another Mom."
>>
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMotherhood
>> !
>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field of
>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>
>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>
>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>> Assistants."
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends you
>> know.
>>
>>
>>
>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>> happiness
>> come through your door!
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> Live simply.
>>
>> Love generously.
>>
>> Care deeply.
>>
>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:52:04 -0400
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <4DA9BE1D187E40569B7A1C670697625C at tammyPC>
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Agreed!
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
>> > day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma,
>> but
>> > it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not
>> > because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> about
>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>> loves to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> were
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> >>>> well I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> to
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> blparent mailing list
>> >>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:54:22 -0300
>> From: Shannan Zinck <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID:
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>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in
>> the
>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> parents
>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>
>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be realized
>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around
>> him
>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from spending
>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the reasons
>> we
>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's
>> not
>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>
>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>> were
>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship team
>> to
>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing at
>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles hardly
>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even
>> now
>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>> call
>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>> anyone
>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him and
>> I
>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and crowds
>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I
>> use
>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not sure
>> I
>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm the
>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it
>> was
>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that I'm
>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>> know
>> how. Some family members are against this because there was mistreatment
>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash and
>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>
>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to go.
>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>
>> --
>> Shannan Zinck
>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:44:09 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>> Message-ID: <001a01caf0bc$36ce7b60$a46b7220$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I thought our group needed a little cheering up. v
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:21 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>>
>>
>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office, was
>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>
>>
>>
>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>
>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>> list
>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Housewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif%27Housewife>
>> '
>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and possessed
>> of
>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town Registrar."
>>
>>
>>
>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>
>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>
>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>> Relations."
>>
>>
>>
>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as though
>> she had not heard right.
>>
>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>> Then
>> I
>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black ink on
>> the official questionnaire.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>> your
>> field?"
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>
>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself reply,
>> "I
>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and out).
>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole family)
>> and
>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one of
>> the
>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and I
>> often
>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>> challenging
>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>
>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I was
>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could hear
>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child development
>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>> official
>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind than
>> "just another Mom."
>>
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMotherhood
>> !
>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field of
>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>
>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>
>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>> Assistants."
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends you
>> know.
>>
>>
>>
>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>> happiness
>> come through your door!
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> Live simply.
>>
>> Love generously.
>>
>> Care deeply.
>>
>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:51:35 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <001b01caf0bd$40abb340$c20319c0$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too many
>> toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to touch.
>> That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different, some
>> wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't care
>> and
>> are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first one
>> who
>> glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be fine
>> in
>> all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red die,
>> some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in
>> the
>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> parents
>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>
>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be realized
>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around
>> him
>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from spending
>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the reasons
>> we
>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's
>> not
>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>
>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>> were
>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship team
>> to
>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing at
>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles hardly
>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even
>> now
>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>> call
>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>> anyone
>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him and
>> I
>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and crowds
>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I
>> use
>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not sure
>> I
>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm the
>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it
>> was
>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that I'm
>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>> know
>> how. Some family members are against this because there was mistreatment
>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash and
>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>
>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to go.
>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>
>> --
>> Shannan Zinck
>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:14:51 -0400
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <17F4F657142349FB91B0191C851F407E at tammyPC>
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes I agree with that, but why should a mother of a 15 month old child
>> have
>> to worry or get more info on a condition that her child doesn't have?
>> Why
>> would you raise this issue on the list about a child who's so young?
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > That's what I just said. V
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> > Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry about.
>> > Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if
>> > you're
>> > not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> about
>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>> loves
>> >
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> were
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> >>>> well
>> >
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> to
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:54:39 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone who
>> is
>> going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor. there's
>> a
>> big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but certainly not
>> theonly
>> one.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Agreed!
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma some
>> >> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma,
>> >> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's
>> >> not
>> >> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> >>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tammy
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
>> >>>> be
>> a
>> >>>> possibility.
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>>> loves to
>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>>>> were at
>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>>> really
>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>>> singers
>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> >>>>> well I
>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>>> toddler
>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> rely
>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> had
>> >>>>> him
>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>> straining
>> >>>>> to know
>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>>> every
>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>>>> taking
>> >>>>> another one.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> blparent mailing list
>> >>>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:40:57 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <009e01caf0f6$711568d0$e4a10a18 at HOME>
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>> My son had his first taste of sidewalk chalk yesterday...Literally. Lol.
>> He likes to study things and figure them out.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too
>> > many
>> > toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to
>> > touch.
>> > That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different, some
>> > wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't care
>> and
>> > are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first one
>> who
>> > glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be
>> > fine
>> > in
>> > all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red
>> > die,
>> > some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> > Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some sound
>> > advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me in
>> > the
>> > first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> > parents
>> > would be very bothered by that statement.
>> >
>> > While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
>> > realized
>> > which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when around
>> him
>> > and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> > circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
>> > spending
>> > time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
>> > reasons
>> > we
>> > needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so it's
>> > not
>> > a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>> >
>> > A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> > my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>> were
>> > even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship
>> > team
>> > to
>> > be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing
>> > at
>> > special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
>> > hardly
>> > plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> > interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and even
>> > now
>> > can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>> call
>> > hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>> > anyone
>> > which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him
>> > and
>> > I
>> > are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
>> > crowds
>> > freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> > overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that I
>> use
>> > to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
>> > sure
>> I
>> > am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm
>> > the
>> > problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because it
>> > was
>> > cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that
>> > I'm
>> > visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>> know
>> > how. Some family members are against this because there was
>> > mistreatment
>> > years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash
>> > and
>> > they associate a harness the same way.
>> >
>> > I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to
>> > go.
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:14:13 -0700
>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>
>> I totally agree with everything in this post. The issue is making sure
>> that our kids get a chance to have a full rich set of experiences, and if
>> utilizing sighted friends hakes that fuller and richer than I think that
>> is
>> just as valuable as the leash. I never used the harness, however now
>> that
>> my son is 13-years-old, I may need to start trying it out.
>>
>> One thing that Jordan did pretty well right from the beginning is he
>> would
>> make a point of checking in with me every 5 minutes or so by just coming
>> over and putting his hand on my knee or something. It is not something
>> that
>> I necessarily taught him directly, but just as a matter of course no
>> matter
>> what we were doing, I'd always ask him what he was doing, and can I see.
>> It
>> was always light and fun, and he made it a habit to just come over rather
>> than doing the "mama look" thing that allot of tottalers do.
>>
>> This helped me out in crowds as he just made it a habit of always keeping
>> physical and verbal contact with me.
>>
>> It's more of a habit development rather than a good or bad behavior.
>>
>> Just another perspective.
>>
>> Amy M-H----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering is
>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in the
>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders at
>> > the
>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good deal of
>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does not
>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not meaning to
>> be
>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm bells
>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>> >
>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is difficult.
>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> > leash
>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps also.
>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a button.
>> > The
>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer when
>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> > found
>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on Sarah in
>> > a
>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to avoid
>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is available.
>> > I
>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> because
>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for Sarah
>> > to
>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> > super
>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> safety,
>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not go
>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets older
>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have a
>> > lot
>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> instead
>> > of just being in the same room.
>> > F
>> > or what it's worth,
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1 nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> loves
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the center.
>> well
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:26:37 -0700
>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>
>> The issue with this, is can the child focus when needed and interested.
>> Not
>> does he/she move around allot.
>>
>> Kids especially boys have so much energy, and it is critical that they
>> spend
>> it. When they cut PE from Jordan's school, he got in trouble every day.
>> He
>> still does in middle school for being too figity. I made arrangements
>> with
>> his teachers, in elementary school, for him to have the opportunity to
>> run
>> around the playground when he could not sit still. Our society is so much
>> different than it use to be for kids. Two things are happening.
>>
>> 1. The kids are changing, and they just sit in front of a TV or computer
>> or
>> something, and obesity may become an issue, or
>> 2. They have a higher risk of being labeled.
>>
>> As blind parents, it is even more important that we get our kids out and
>> moving. We all know what it is like to cary labels,and I know I fight
>> even
>> harder to make sure labels don't get attached to my children if they
>> don't
>> have to be.
>>
>> ADD and ADHD is very real however. My husband has ADD, and he really has
>> trouble with completing tasks, maintaining long sequenced trains of
>> thoughts, and all kinds of other issues that impact his life because his
>> parents did not address it when he was a kid.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > My son is school age and still doesn't like to sit for any length of
>> time.
>> > But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> >
>> > Tammydoesn't mean
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> No, you're not. I said nothing about todlers or preschoolers. When i
>> >> say "outgrow" I mean by elementary schol age when children are
>> >> expected
>> >> to sit for longer periods. I also used the words "might be a
>> >> possibility", not "does have" or "is going to have". I ma perfectly
>> well
>> >> aware of what is acceptable at toddler and preschool age, thank you
>> >> very
>> >> much. Sorry about the post, everyone. Just clarifying a few things
>> >> here.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>> >>>disorder
>> >>>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>> >>>because
>> >>>a toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
>> putting
>> >>>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>> >>>> worry
>> >>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
>> >>>> it's
>> >>>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard
>> >>>> too
>> >>>> many
>> >>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>> >>>> happen,
>> >>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
>> >>>> fact, my
>> >>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>> about
>> >>>> five
>> >>>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>> >>>> saying
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>> >>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> unless
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
>> >>>> here, but
>> >>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>> other
>> >>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Joy and family
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> ]
>> >>>> On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
>> >>>> word
>> >>>> hereis "if".
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
>> >>>>> deal
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
>> not
>> >>>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
>> >>>>> meaning
>> >>>>> to be
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >>>>> bells
>> >>>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>> >>>>> difficult.
>> >>>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> >>>>> leash
>> >>>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> >>>>> also.
>> >>>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
>> >>>>> button.
>> >>>>> The
>> >>>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
>> >>>>> when
>> >>>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> >>>>> found
>> >>>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
>> >>>>> Sarah
>> >>>>> in a
>> >>>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>> >>>>> avoid
>> >>>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> available.
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> >>>>> because
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>> Sarah
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> >>>>> super
>> >>>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> >>>>> safety,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
>> >>>>> go
>> >>>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
>> >>>>> older
>> >>>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> lot
>> >>>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> >>>>> instead
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>>>> F
>> >>>>> or what it's worth,
>> >>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
>> be
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> possibility.
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
>> >>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>> loves
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
>> >>>>>>> We
>> >>>>>>> were
>> >>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
>> >>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>>> well
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> him
>> >>>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> straining
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
>> >>>>>>> around
>> >>>>>>> every
>> >>>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:05 -0600
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <F9EBF41731164D65A24FFD686B9357D6 at AsusDesktop>
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>> But Shannon never said her little boy was running like a motor all the
>> time.
>> Besides, what fifteen-month-old doesn't?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:54 AM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> > We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone
>> > who
>> > is going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
>> > there's a big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but
>> certainly
>> > not theonly one.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Agreed!
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
>> >>> some
>> >>> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
>> >>> asthma,
>> >>> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's
>> not
>> >>> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> >>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> >>>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tammy
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> a possibility.
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler who
>> >>>>>> loves to
>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life. We
>> >>>>>> were at
>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> >>>>>> really
>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of the
>> >>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
>> >>>>>> my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>> well I
>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with a
>> >>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I had
>> to
>> >>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too and
>> >>>>>> had him
>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>>> straining
>> >>>>>> to know
>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them around
>> >>>>>> every
>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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