[blparent] Toddler in crowds
Jo Elizabeth Pinto
jopinto at pcdesk.net
Wed May 12 15:45:51 UTC 2010
Sarah is very friendly and social that way. She'll talk to anybody, and
often does, at restaurants and stores and such. I consider that trait in
her personality to be a great asset, since I'm pretty introverted myself.
Her friendliness needs to be directed a bit as she gets older. Don't take
candy from people you don't know. Don't get in cars with strangers. But
the last thing I would ever want to do is discourage her outgoing
personality and her ease of striking up conversations with people.
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From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:29 AM
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
> Thing is, you'll never meet or establish any kind of meaningful
> relationship if you aren't friendly. Might it be more logical to teach
> our kids how to give information and access appropriate to the
> situation? Everybody you meet is a stranger until you get to know him or
> her. And, lots of strangers have access to very personal information.
> Anybody who uses a credit card or been to a hospital knows this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:56 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
>
> Sounds like you have a very adorable and very busy little boy. Lol. I
> worry about angelica being friendly with people she doesn't know, too.
> And
> she's five.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
>
>
>> Yeah the 3rd person is probably the best.
>>
>> Yes my son does go steady but, mostly walks around and laughs at
>> everything.
>> He's not loud or annoying he just moves all the time even in his
> sleep. He
>> can focus pretty good even at his age and if he is interested in
> something
>> in particular he can stay with it for quite a while. Right now that is
>> dancing and the potty.
>>
>> The crowd thing is the bigger issue here as he is not shy at all and a
>> shelter is no place for a toddler but, in this case I had no choice
> but,
>> to
>> bring him as it was out of town and I am supposed to bring him
> whenever I
>> go
>> to where his birth mom lives so she can see him. He is too young to
> teach
>> him not to play with everyone he sees so protection and safety are the
>
>> keys
>> here. My boy is an entertainer and a social bug. bad combo in certain
>> settings.
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM, <blparent-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:14:00 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> Even at age 10, mine gets distracted at each and every commercial
> that
>>> hits
>>> the screen. But no ADD here. Those that think this behavior is
> abnormal
>>> are
>>> usually those parents who's own children are very hyper and
>>> uncontrolable.
>>> 2 year olds live in a world all to their own, not old enough to
>>> understand
>>> danger and too old to be placed in a playpen when mom and dad are too
>
>>> busy
>>> to watch them. V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>>> worry
>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
> it's
>>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
>
>>> many
>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>>> happen,
>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
> fact,
>>> my
>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
> about
>>> five
>>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
> saying is
>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
> there
>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
> toddler
>>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
> unless
>>> the
>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
> here,
>>> but
>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
> other
>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>>
>>> Joy and family
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
> word
>>> hereis "if".
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
> is
>>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
> the
>>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
> at
>>> > the
>>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
> deal of
>>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
> not
>>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
> meaning to
>>> be
>>>
>>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
> bells
>>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >
>>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
> difficult.
>>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>>> > leash
>>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
> also.
>>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
> button.
>>> > The
>>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
> when
>>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>>> > found
>>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
> Sarah in
>>> > a
>>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
> avoid
>>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
> available.
>>> > I
>>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>>> because
>>>
>>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
> Sarah
>>> > to
>>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>>> > super
>>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>>> safety,
>>>
>>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
> go
>>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
> older
>>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
> a
>>> > lot
>>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>>> instead
>>>
>>> > of just being in the same room.
>>> > F
>>> > or what it's worth,
>>> > Jo Elizabeth
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
> be
>>> >> a
>>> >> possibility.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>> Anyway
>>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> loves
>>>
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>> were
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>>> really
>>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>> singers
>>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>> friends
>>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> well
>>>
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>> toddler
>>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had to
>>> >>> rely
>>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>> had
>>> >>> him
>>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> know
>>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> friends
>>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> every
>>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>> taking
>>> >>> another one.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:19 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> I agree. In that kind of situation, a third person who assigned to
> your
>>> child is a must in my opinion. If you can't place your child on your
>>> shoulders and during choir practice might not be a good idea, but
> leaving
>>> him with a responsible person that you chose is a good idea. If it
> were
>>> me,
>>> I'd leave him at home. V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:02 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> In that particular case, though, she was in the choir or whatever it
> was,
>>> but in any case, she was a participant. In that kind of situation,
> it is
>>> difficult ot keep an eye on the child oneself.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> >I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I
> go
>>> out
>>>
>>> >with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep
> an
>>> >eye
>>> >on her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just
> staying
>>> >with her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she
> has
>>> >to
>>> >answer me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing
> and
>>> >she
>>> >has to stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early
> to
>>> >teach him to come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off
>>> >playing somewhere else. It takes a lot of time and consistent
> effort,
>>> >but
>>> I
>>>
>>> >think it pays off in the long run.
>>> >
>>> > -- Allie
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>>> >>disorder
>>> >>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>>> >>because
>>> a
>>>
>>> >>toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
> putting
>>> >>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>
>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>>> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy
> to
>>> >>> worry
>>> >>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
> course,
>>> >>> it's
>>> >>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard
> too
>>> >>> many
>>> >>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
> could
>>> >>> happen,
>>> >>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
> In
>>> >>> fact, my
>>> >>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>
>>> >>> about
>>> >>> five
>>> >>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>>> >>> saying
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
> that
>>> >>> there
>>> >>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>>> >>> toddler
>>> >>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted
> by
>>> >>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>>> >>> unless
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense
> intended
>>> here,
>>>
>>> >>> but
>>> >>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>
>>> >>> other
>>> >>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joy and family
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>> On
>>> >>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
>
>>> >>> word
>>> >>> hereis "if".
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and
> wandering is
>>> >>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason
> in
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
> wanders
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
> deal
>>> of
>>> >>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
> does
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
> meaning
>>> to
>>>
>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>>> >>>> bells
>>> >>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>>> >>>> difficult.
>>> >>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
> child
>>> >>>> leash
>>> >>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open
> helps
>>> also.
>>> >>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
> button.
>>> >>>> The
>>> >>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
> when
>>> >>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
> I've
>>> >>>> found
>>> >>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
> Sarah
>>> in
>>>
>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>>> >>>> avoid
>>> >>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>>> >>>> available.
>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
> can
>>> >>>> because
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>
>>> >>>> Sarah
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
> some
>>> >>>> super
>>> >>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
> child's
>>> >>>> safety,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather
> not go
>>> >>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah
> gets
>>> older
>>> >>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
> have
>>> >>>> a
>>> >>>> lot
>>> >>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
> day
>>> >>>> instead
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> of just being in the same room.
>>> >>>> F
>>> >>>> or what it's worth,
>>> >>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might
>>> >>>>> be
>>> >>>>> a
>>> >>>>> possibility.
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>>> >>>>>> nighter.
>>> >>>>>> Anyway
>>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>>>> loves
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his
> life. We
>>> >>>>>> were
>>> >>>>>> at
>>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>>>> really
>>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>>>> singers
>>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
> of
>>> >>>>>> my
>>> >>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>>> >>>>>> center.
>>> >>>>>> well
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
> with a
>>> >>>>>> toddler
>>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> to
>>> >>>>>> rely
>>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>>>>> had
>>> >>>>>> him
>>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>>> >>>>>> straining
>>> >>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>> know
>>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
> my
>>> >>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>>>> every
>>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>>> >>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>> taking
>>> >>>>>> another one.
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:21:41 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> Message-ID: <008d01caf07e$66f92530$34eb6f90$@net>
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>>> On the other hand, my daughter loves to hold my hand all the time. V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:50 AM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> Great Advice, Allie, and I think the answering thing is crucial.
>>> Currently,
>>> my son is having a challenge remembering to do this, and he's
> spending a
>>> lot
>>> of time holding my hand, which he also hates, lol. That's our rule,
>>> though,
>>> if you don't answer me you have to hold my hand. Even my 7-year-old
>>> knows
>>> that if she doesn't answer she's going to get very embarrassed while
> she
>>> walks around holding my hand, lol. Having said that, I've taken my
> kids
>>> to
>>> many of our main tourist attractions here in the Chicago area, the
> zoo,
>>> the
>>> museum, the aquarium. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but I just
>
>>> love
>>> to get out with my kids. Having said that, it can also be a little,
> ok a
>>> lot, scary going out into crowded places like that. Harnesses are
> very
>>> nice, and are a great way to keep the young ones close, as no matter
> what
>>> we
>>> try to do when they're a certain age they will sometimes wander.
> Take
>>> care.
>>>
>>> Joy and family
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Allie
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:56 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I
> go
>>> out
>>> with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an
> eye
>>> on
>>>
>>> her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying
>
>>> with
>>> her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has to
>>> answer
>>>
>>> me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and she
> has to
>>> stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to teach
> him
>>> to
>>>
>>> come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off playing
> somewhere
>>> else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort, but I think it
> pays
>>> off
>>> in the long run.
>>>
>>> -- Allie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> >I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
> disorder
>>> in
>>>
>>> >toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
> because a
>>> >toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
> putting
>>> >that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>>> >
>>> > Jo Elizabeth
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy
> to
>>> >> worry
>>> >> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
> course,
>>> it's
>>> >> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard
> too
>>> >> many
>>> >> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
> could
>>> >> happen,
>>> >> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
> In
>>> fact,
>>>
>>> >> my
>>> >> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>>> >> about
>>> >> five
>>> >> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
> saying
>>> is
>>> >> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
> that
>>> there
>>> >> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
> toddler
>>> >> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted
> by
>>> >> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>>> >> unless
>>> >> the
>>> >> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
>
>>> >> here,
>>> >> but
>>> >> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>>> >> other
>>> >> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>> >>
>>> >> Joy and family
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
> word
>>> >> hereis "if".
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
> is
>>> >>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
> the
>>> >>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
> wanders at
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
> deal
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
> does
>>> >>> not
>>> >>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
> meaning
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> be
>>> >>
>>> >>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
> bells
>>> >>> about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
> difficult.
>>> >>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
> child
>>> leash
>>> >>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>
>>> >>> also.
>>> >>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
> button.
>>> >>> The
>>> >>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
> when
>>> >>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
> I've
>>> found
>>> >>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
> Sarah
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
> avoid
>>> >>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>>> >>> available.
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
> can
>>> >>> because
>>> >>
>>> >>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>>> >>> Sarah
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
> some
>>> super
>>> >>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
> child's
>>> >>> safety,
>>> >>
>>> >>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
> go
>>> >>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
>
>>> >>> older
>>> >>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
> have a
>>> >>> lot
>>> >>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
> day
>>> >>> instead
>>> >>
>>> >>> of just being in the same room.
>>> >>> F
>>> >>> or what it's worth,
>>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might
>>> >>>> be
>>> a
>>> >>>> possibility.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>>>> Anyway
>>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>>> loves
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>>>> were
>>> >>>>> at
>>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>>> really
>>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>>> singers
>>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
> of my
>>> >>>>> friends
>>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> >>>>> well
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> I
>>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
> with a
>>> >>>>> toddler
>>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> rely
>>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> had
>>> >>>>> him
>>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>>> >>>>> straining
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> know
>>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
> my
>>> >>>>> friends
>>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>>> every
>>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>>>> taking
>>> >>>>> another one.
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:23:09 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> She brought it up to touch all the possibilities of what could happen
> at
>>> any
>>> given age, not necessarily meaning that this is what was going on. V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> He's 15 months old, why would you even bring it up at all? I don't
> know
>>> too
>>>
>>> many small kids who don't wander away and get distracted easily.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> >I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
> word
>>> >hereis "if".
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
> is
>>> >> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
> the
>>> >> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
> at
>>> the
>>>
>>> >> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
> deal
>>> >> of
>>> >> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
> not
>>> >> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
> meaning
>>> >> to
>>> >> be rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>
>>> >> bells
>>> >> about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
> difficult.
>>> >> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>
>>> >> leash
>>> >> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>>> >> also.
>>> >> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
> button.
>>> The
>>>
>>> >> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
> when
>>> >> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>
>>> >> found
>>> >> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
> Sarah
>>> >> in
>>> a
>>>
>>> >> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
> avoid
>>> >> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
> available.
>>> I
>>>
>>> >> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>>> >> because I don't want to take away experiences that would be
> valuable
>>> >> for
>>> >> Sarah to have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably
> put
>>> >> some super turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of
> my
>>> >> child's safety, I've personally decided that there are some places
> I'd
>>> >> rather not go unless I have a sighted companion. That may change
> as
>>> >> Sarah gets older and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get
> out
>>> >> often and have a lot of friends, and that I do things with her at
> home
>>> >> every single day instead of just being in the same room.
>>> >> F
>>> >> or what it's worth,
>>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>
>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might be
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> possibility.
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>>> Anyway
>>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>> loves to
>>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> were
>>>
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>> really
>>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>> singers
>>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> >>>> well I
>>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>>> toddler
>>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> rely
>>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>>> had
>>> >>>> him
>>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> to
>>>
>>> >>>> know
>>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>> every
>>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>>> taking
>>> >>>> another one.
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:50 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> Message-ID: <008f01caf07f$1f600620$5e201260$@net>
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>>>
>>> Jo elizabeth, just because someone mentioned it, it doesn't mean it
> is so
>>> like you said. It was just a thought that in some cases, not
> necessarily
>>> meaning this one, it could happen. I think she was saying in some
>>> realms
>>> it is a possibility. Of course, you are right not at age 2. But it
> is
>>> nice
>>> to know what is out there. It is nice to know what exists for the
>>> future.
>>> V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
> some
>>> day.
>>> Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma, but
>
>>> it's
>>> not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not
> because
>>> they
>>>
>>> wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>
>>> > about
>>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >
>>> > Tammy
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
> be
>>> >> a
>>> >> possibility.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>> Anyway
>>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> loves
>>>
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>> were
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>>> really
>>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>> singers
>>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>> friends
>>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> well
>>>
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>> toddler
>>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had to
>>> >>> rely
>>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>> had
>>> >>> him
>>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> know
>>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> friends
>>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> every
>>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>> taking
>>> >>> another one.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:27:23 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> That's what I just said. V
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry
> about.
>>> Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if
>>> you're
>>> not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>
>>> > about
>>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >
>>> > Tammy
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
> be
>>> >> a
>>> >> possibility.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>> Anyway
>>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> loves
>>>
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>> were
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>>> really
>>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>> singers
>>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>> friends
>>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> well
>>>
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>> toddler
>>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had to
>>> >>> rely
>>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>> had
>>> >>> him
>>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> know
>>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> friends
>>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> every
>>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>> taking
>>> >>> another one.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:21:04 -0600
>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
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>>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office,
> was
>>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>>
>>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>
>>> list
>>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>>
>>>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Hous
> ewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gi
> f%27Housewife>
>>> '
>>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and
> possessed
>>> of
>>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town
> Registrar."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>>
>>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>>
>>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>>> Relations."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as
> though
>>> she had not heard right.
>>>
>>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>>> Then
>>> I
>>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black
> ink on
>>> the official questionnaire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>
>>> your
>>> field?"
>>>
>>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>>
>>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself
> reply,
>>> "I
>>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and
> out).
>>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole
> family)
>>> and
>>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one
> of
>>> the
>>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and
> I
>>> often
>>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>>> challenging
>>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>>
>>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I
> was
>>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could
> hear
>>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child
> development
>>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>>> official
>>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind
> than
>>> "just another Mom."
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMothe
> rhood
>>> !
>>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field
> of
>>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>>
>>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>>
>>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>>> Assistants."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends
> you
>>> know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>>> happiness
>>> come through your door!
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>
>>> Live simply.
>>>
>>> Love generously.
>>>
>>> Care deeply.
>>>
>>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:52:04 -0400
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> Message-ID: <4DA9BE1D187E40569B7A1C670697625C at tammyPC>
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Agreed!
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
> some
>>> > day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
> asthma,
>>> but
>>> > it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's
> not
>>> > because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
> worry
>>> about
>>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tammy
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might be
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> possibility.
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>>> Anyway
>>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>> loves to
>>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> were
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>> really
>>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>> singers
>>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> >>>> well I
>>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>>> toddler
>>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> rely
>>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>>> had
>>> >>>> him
>>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> to
>>> >>>> know
>>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>> every
>>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>>> taking
>>> >>>> another one.
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:54:22 -0300
>>> From: Shannan Zinck <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
> sound
>>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me
> in
>>> the
>>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>>> parents
>>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>>
>>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
> realized
>>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
> around
>>> him
>>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
> spending
>>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
> reasons
>>> we
>>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
> it's
>>> not
>>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>>
>>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>>> thankfully
>>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>
>>> were
>>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship
> team
>>> to
>>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing
> at
>>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
> hardly
>>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
> even
>>> now
>>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>
>>> call
>>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>>> anyone
>>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him
> and
>>> I
>>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
> crowds
>>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that
> I
>>> use
>>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
> sure
>>> I
>>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm
> the
>>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because
> it
>>> was
>>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that
> I'm
>>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>
>>> know
>>> how. Some family members are against this because there was
> mistreatment
>>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash
> and
>>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>>
>>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to
> go.
>>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:44:09 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>> Message-ID: <001a01caf0bc$36ce7b60$a46b7220$@net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> I thought our group needed a little cheering up. v
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:21 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>>
>>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office,
> was
>>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>>
>>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>
>>> list
>>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>>
>>>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Hous
> ewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gi
> f%27Housewife>
>>> '
>>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and
> possessed
>>> of
>>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town
> Registrar."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>>
>>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>>
>>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>>> Relations."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as
> though
>>> she had not heard right.
>>>
>>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>>> Then
>>> I
>>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black
> ink on
>>> the official questionnaire.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>
>>> your
>>> field?"
>>>
>>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>>
>>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself
> reply,
>>> "I
>>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and
> out).
>>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole
> family)
>>> and
>>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one
> of
>>> the
>>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and
> I
>>> often
>>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>>> challenging
>>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>>
>>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I
> was
>>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could
> hear
>>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child
> development
>>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>>> official
>>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind
> than
>>> "just another Mom."
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMothe
> rhood
>>> !
>>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field
> of
>>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>>
>>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>>
>>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>>> Assistants."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends
> you
>>> know.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>>> happiness
>>> come through your door!
>>>
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>
>>> Live simply.
>>>
>>> Love generously.
>>>
>>> Care deeply.
>>>
>>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:51:35 -0600
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> Message-ID: <001b01caf0bd$40abb340$c20319c0$@net>
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>>>
>>> Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too
> many
>>> toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to
> touch.
>>> That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different,
> some
>>> wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't
> care
>>> and
>>> are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first
> one
>>> who
>>> glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be
> fine
>>> in
>>> all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red
> die,
>>> some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
> sound
>>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me
> in
>>> the
>>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>>> parents
>>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>>
>>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
> realized
>>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
> around
>>> him
>>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
> spending
>>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
> reasons
>>> we
>>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
> it's
>>> not
>>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>>
>>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>>> thankfully
>>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>
>>> were
>>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship
> team
>>> to
>>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing
> at
>>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
> hardly
>>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
> even
>>> now
>>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>
>>> call
>>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>>> anyone
>>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him
> and
>>> I
>>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
> crowds
>>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that
> I
>>> use
>>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
> sure
>>> I
>>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm
> the
>>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because
> it
>>> was
>>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that
> I'm
>>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>
>>> know
>>> how. Some family members are against this because there was
> mistreatment
>>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash
> and
>>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>>
>>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to
> go.
>>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:14:51 -0400
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes I agree with that, but why should a mother of a 15 month old
> child
>>> have
>>> to worry or get more info on a condition that her child doesn't have?
>
>>> Why
>>> would you raise this issue on the list about a child who's so young?
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > That's what I just said. V
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> > Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry
> about.
>>> > Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or
> if
>>> > you're
>>> > not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough
> information.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
> worry
>>> about
>>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >>
>>> >> Tammy
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might be
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> possibility.
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>>> Anyway
>>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>> loves
>>> >
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> were
>>> >>>> at
>>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>> really
>>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>> singers
>>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> >>>> well
>>> >
>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>>> toddler
>>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> rely
>>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>>> had
>>> >>>> him
>>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> to
>>> >>>> know
>>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> >>>> friends
>>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>> every
>>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>>> taking
>>> >>>> another one.
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:54:39 -0600
>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone
> who
>>> is
>>> going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
> there's
>>> a
>>> big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but certainly not
>>> theonly
>>> one.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Agreed!
>>> >
>>> > Tammy
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
> some
>>> >> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
> asthma,
>>> >> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but
> it's
>>> >> not
>>> >> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all
> wandered!
>>> >>
>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
> worry
>>> >>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tammy
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might
>>> >>>> be
>>> a
>>> >>>> possibility.
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>>>> Anyway
>>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>>> loves to
>>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>>>> were at
>>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>>> really
>>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>>> singers
>>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
> of my
>>> >>>>> friends
>>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> >>>>> well I
>>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
> with a
>>> >>>>> toddler
>>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> rely
>>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> had
>>> >>>>> him
>>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>>> >>>>> straining
>>> >>>>> to know
>>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
> my
>>> >>>>> friends
>>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>>> every
>>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>>>> taking
>>> >>>>> another one.
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
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>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:40:57 -0600
>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> My son had his first taste of sidewalk chalk yesterday...Literally.
> Lol.
>>> He likes to study things and figure them out.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too
>
>>> > many
>>> > toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to
>>> > touch.
>>> > That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different,
> some
>>> > wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't
> care
>>> and
>>> > are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first
> one
>>> who
>>> > glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be
>
>>> > fine
>>> > in
>>> > all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red
>
>>> > die,
>>> > some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>> > Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>>> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>>> > Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> > Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
> sound
>>> > advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered
> me in
>>> > the
>>> > first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>>> > parents
>>> > would be very bothered by that statement.
>>> >
>>> > While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
>>> > realized
>>> > which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
> around
>>> him
>>> > and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>>> > circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
>>> > spending
>>> > time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
>>> > reasons
>>> > we
>>> > needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
> it's
>>> > not
>>> > a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>> >
>>> > A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>>> thankfully
>>> > my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on.
> They
>>> were
>>> > even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the
> worship
>>> > team
>>> > to
>>> > be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to
> sing
>>> > at
>>> > special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
>>> > hardly
>>> > plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>>> > interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
> even
>>> > now
>>> > can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I
> would
>>> call
>>> > hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just
> about
>>> > anyone
>>> > which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him.
> Him
>>> > and
>>> > I
>>> > are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
>>> > crowds
>>> > freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>>> > overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter
> that I
>>> use
>>> > to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
>
>>> > sure
>>> I
>>> > am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think
> I'm
>>> > the
>>> > problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it
> because it
>>> > was
>>> > cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them
> that
>>> > I'm
>>> > visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way
> I
>>> know
>>> > how. Some family members are against this because there was
>>> > mistreatment
>>> > years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a
> leash
>>> > and
>>> > they associate a harness the same way.
>>> >
>>> > I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way
> to
>>> > go.
>>> > thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean
> to.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Shannan Zinck
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>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:14:13 -0700
>>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>>
>>> I totally agree with everything in this post. The issue is making
> sure
>>> that our kids get a chance to have a full rich set of experiences,
> and if
>>> utilizing sighted friends hakes that fuller and richer than I think
> that
>>> is
>>> just as valuable as the leash. I never used the harness, however now
>
>>> that
>>> my son is 13-years-old, I may need to start trying it out.
>>>
>>> One thing that Jordan did pretty well right from the beginning is he
>>> would
>>> make a point of checking in with me every 5 minutes or so by just
> coming
>>> over and putting his hand on my knee or something. It is not
> something
>>> that
>>> I necessarily taught him directly, but just as a matter of course no
>>> matter
>>> what we were doing, I'd always ask him what he was doing, and can I
> see.
>>> It
>>> was always light and fun, and he made it a habit to just come over
> rather
>>> than doing the "mama look" thing that allot of tottalers do.
>>>
>>> This helped me out in crowds as he just made it a habit of always
> keeping
>>> physical and verbal contact with me.
>>>
>>> It's more of a habit development rather than a good or bad behavior.
>>>
>>> Just another perspective.
>>>
>>> Amy M-H----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
> is
>>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
> the
>>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
> at
>>> > the
>>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
> deal of
>>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
> not
>>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
> meaning to
>>> be
>>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
> bells
>>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >
>>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
> difficult.
>>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>>> > leash
>>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
> also.
>>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
> button.
>>> > The
>>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
> when
>>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>>> > found
>>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
> Sarah in
>>> > a
>>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
> avoid
>>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
> available.
>>> > I
>>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>>> because
>>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
> Sarah
>>> > to
>>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>>> > super
>>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>>> safety,
>>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
> go
>>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
> older
>>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
> a
>>> > lot
>>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>>> instead
>>> > of just being in the same room.
>>> > F
>>> > or what it's worth,
>>> > Jo Elizabeth
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
> be
>>> >> a
>>> >> possibility.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
> nighter.
>>> >>> Anyway
>>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> loves
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
> We
>>> >>> were
>>> >>> at
>>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>>> really
>>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>> singers
>>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
> my
>>> >>> friends
>>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
> center.
>>> well
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
> a
>>> >>> toddler
>>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had to
>>> >>> rely
>>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>> had
>>> >>> him
>>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
> straining
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> know
>>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>>> friends
>>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> every
>>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
> about
>>> >>> taking
>>> >>> another one.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:26:37 -0700
>>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>> The issue with this, is can the child focus when needed and
> interested.
>>> Not
>>> does he/she move around allot.
>>>
>>> Kids especially boys have so much energy, and it is critical that
> they
>>> spend
>>> it. When they cut PE from Jordan's school, he got in trouble every
> day.
>>> He
>>> still does in middle school for being too figity. I made
> arrangements
>>> with
>>> his teachers, in elementary school, for him to have the opportunity
> to
>>> run
>>> around the playground when he could not sit still. Our society is so
> much
>>> different than it use to be for kids. Two things are happening.
>>>
>>> 1. The kids are changing, and they just sit in front of a TV or
> computer
>>> or
>>> something, and obesity may become an issue, or
>>> 2. They have a higher risk of being labeled.
>>>
>>> As blind parents, it is even more important that we get our kids out
> and
>>> moving. We all know what it is like to cary labels,and I know I
> fight
>>> even
>>> harder to make sure labels don't get attached to my children if they
>>> don't
>>> have to be.
>>>
>>> ADD and ADHD is very real however. My husband has ADD, and he really
> has
>>> trouble with completing tasks, maintaining long sequenced trains of
>>> thoughts, and all kinds of other issues that impact his life because
> his
>>> parents did not address it when he was a kid.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > My son is school age and still doesn't like to sit for any length
> of
>>> time.
>>> > But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him.
>>> >
>>> > Tammy
>>> >
>>> > Tammydoesn't mean
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> No, you're not. I said nothing about todlers or preschoolers.
> When i
>>> >> say "outgrow" I mean by elementary schol age when children are
>>> >> expected
>>> >> to sit for longer periods. I also used the words "might be a
>>> >> possibility", not "does have" or "is going to have". I ma
> perfectly
>>> well
>>> >> aware of what is acceptable at toddler and preschool age, thank
> you
>>> >> very
>>> >> much. Sorry about the post, everyone. Just clarifying a few
> things
>>> >> here.
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>>> >>>disorder
>>> >>>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>>> >>>because
>>> >>>a toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
>>> putting
>>> >>>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>>> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very
> easy to
>>> >>>> worry
>>> >>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
> course,
>>> >>>> it's
>>> >>>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have
> heard
>>> >>>> too
>>> >>>> many
>>> >>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
> could
>>> >>>> happen,
>>> >>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
> In
>>> >>>> fact, my
>>> >>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age
> of
>>> about
>>> >>>> five
>>> >>>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>>> >>>> saying
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
> that
>>> >>>> there
>>> >>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>>> >>>> toddler
>>> >>>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get
> distracted by
>>> >>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>>> unless
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense
> intended
>>> >>>> here, but
>>> >>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way.
> In
>>> other
>>> >>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Joy and family
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> ]
>>> >>>> On
>>> >>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The
> operative
>>> >>>> word
>>> >>>> hereis "if".
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and
> wandering
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason
> in
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
> wanders
>>> >>>>> at
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
>
>>> >>>>> deal
>>> >>>>> of
>>> >>>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
> does
>>> not
>>> >>>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
>>> >>>>> meaning
>>> >>>>> to be
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>
>>> >>>>> bells
>>> >>>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>>> >>>>> difficult.
>>> >>>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
> child
>>> >>>>> leash
>>> >>>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open
> helps
>>> >>>>> also.
>>> >>>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
>>> >>>>> button.
>>> >>>>> The
>>> >>>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
>
>>> >>>>> when
>>> >>>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
> I've
>>> >>>>> found
>>> >>>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
>>> >>>>> Sarah
>>> >>>>> in a
>>> >>>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>
>>> >>>>> avoid
>>> >>>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>>> available.
>>> >>>>> I
>>> >>>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
> can
>>> >>>>> because
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable
> for
>>> Sarah
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
> some
>>> >>>>> super
>>> >>>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
> child's
>>> >>>>> safety,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather
> not
>>> >>>>> go
>>> >>>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah
> gets
>>> >>>>> older
>>> >>>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
> have
>>> >>>>> a
>>> >>>>> lot
>>> >>>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
> day
>>> >>>>> instead
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> of just being in the same room.
>>> >>>>> F
>>> >>>>> or what it's worth,
>>> >>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might
>>> be
>>> >>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>> possibility.
>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>>> >>>>>>> nighter.
>>> >>>>>>> Anyway
>>> >>>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a
> toddler
>>> >>>>>>> who
>>> >>>>>>> loves
>>> >>>>
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> life.
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>>> >>>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I
> found it
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> of
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> singers
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> of
>>> >>>>>>> my
>>> >>>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>>> >>>>>>> center.
>>> >>>>>>> well
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
> with
>>> >>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>> toddler
>>> >>>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until
> I
>>> >>>>>>> had
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> rely
>>> >>>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there
> too
>>> >>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> had
>>> >>>>>>> him
>>> >>>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>>> straining
>>> >>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> know
>>> >>>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
> my
>>> >>>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
>>> >>>>>>> around
>>> >>>>>>> every
>>> >>>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>
>>> >>>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>>> taking
>>> >>>>>>> another one.
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>>> Message: 17
>>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:05 -0600
>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> Message-ID: <F9EBF41731164D65A24FFD686B9357D6 at AsusDesktop>
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>>>
>>> But Shannon never said her little boy was running like a motor all
> the
>>> time.
>>> Besides, what fifteen-month-old doesn't?
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:54 AM
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>>
>>> > We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about
> someone
>>> > who
>>> > is going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
>>> > there's a big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but
>>> certainly
>>> > not theonly one.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Agreed!
>>> >>
>>> >> Tammy
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
>
>>> >>> some
>>> >>> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
>>> >>> asthma,
>>> >>> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but
> it's
>>> not
>>> >>> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all
> wandered!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
> worry
>>> >>>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Tammy
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
> might
>>> >>>>> be
>>> >>>>> a possibility.
>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>>> >>>>>> nighter.
>>> >>>>>> Anyway
>>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
> who
>>> >>>>>> loves to
>>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his
> life. We
>>> >>>>>> were at
>>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
> it
>>> >>>>>> really
>>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
> the
>>> >>>>>> singers
>>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
> of
>>> >>>>>> my
>>> >>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>>> >>>>>> center.
>>> >>>>>> well I
>>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
> with a
>>> >>>>>> toddler
>>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
> had
>>> to
>>> >>>>>> rely
>>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
> and
>>> >>>>>> had him
>>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>>> >>>>>> straining
>>> >>>>>> to know
>>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
> my
>>> >>>>>> friends
>>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
> around
>>> >>>>>> every
>>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>>> >>>>>> about
>>> >>>>>> taking
>>> >>>>>> another one.
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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