[blparent] Toddler in crowds
Veronica Smith
madison_tewe at spinn.net
Thu May 13 03:25:26 UTC 2010
Gab refuses to talk to people we just meet in a store or at a restaurant.
We will tell her, Gab you've seen this person before, but if she doesn't
remember we could persuade her all we want and she won't talk. It is hard
at the beginning of a school year, she seems shy or uncooperative until she
gets to know her teacher. Eeek, it takes all kinds. v
-----Original Message-----
From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
Thing is, you'll never meet or establish any kind of meaningful
relationship if you aren't friendly. Might it be more logical to teach
our kids how to give information and access appropriate to the
situation? Everybody you meet is a stranger until you get to know him or
her. And, lots of strangers have access to very personal information.
Anybody who uses a credit card or been to a hospital knows this.
-----Original Message-----
From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:56 PM
To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
Sounds like you have a very adorable and very busy little boy. Lol. I
worry about angelica being friendly with people she doesn't know, too.
And
she's five.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Toddler in crowds
> Yeah the 3rd person is probably the best.
>
> Yes my son does go steady but, mostly walks around and laughs at
> everything.
> He's not loud or annoying he just moves all the time even in his
sleep. He
> can focus pretty good even at his age and if he is interested in
something
> in particular he can stay with it for quite a while. Right now that is
> dancing and the potty.
>
> The crowd thing is the bigger issue here as he is not shy at all and a
> shelter is no place for a toddler but, in this case I had no choice
but,
> to
> bring him as it was out of town and I am supposed to bring him
whenever I
> go
> to where his birth mom lives so she can see him. He is too young to
teach
> him not to play with everyone he sees so protection and safety are the
> keys
> here. My boy is an entertainer and a social bug. bad combo in certain
> settings.
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM, <blparent-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:14:00 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> Even at age 10, mine gets distracted at each and every commercial
that
>> hits
>> the screen. But no ADD here. Those that think this behavior is
abnormal
>> are
>> usually those parents who's own children are very hyper and
>> uncontrolable.
>> 2 year olds live in a world all to their own, not old enough to
>> understand
>> danger and too old to be placed in a playpen when mom and dad are too
>> busy
>> to watch them. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy to
>> worry
>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of course,
it's
>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard too
>> many
>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what could
>> happen,
>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better. In
fact,
>> my
>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
about
>> five
>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
saying is
>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought that
there
>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
toddler
>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted by
>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
unless
>> the
>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
here,
>> but
>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
other
>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>>
>> Joy and family
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
word
>> hereis "if".
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
is
>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
the
>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
at
>> > the
>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
deal of
>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
not
>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
meaning to
>> be
>>
>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
bells
>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>> >
>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
difficult.
>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> > leash
>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
also.
>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
button.
>> > The
>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
when
>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> > found
>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
Sarah in
>> > a
>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
avoid
>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
available.
>> > I
>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> because
>>
>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
Sarah
>> > to
>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> > super
>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> safety,
>>
>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
go
>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
older
>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
a
>> > lot
>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> instead
>>
>> > of just being in the same room.
>> > F
>> > or what it's worth,
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:19:19 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> I agree. In that kind of situation, a third person who assigned to
your
>> child is a must in my opinion. If you can't place your child on your
>> shoulders and during choir practice might not be a good idea, but
leaving
>> him with a responsible person that you chose is a good idea. If it
were
>> me,
>> I'd leave him at home. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 2:02 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> In that particular case, though, she was in the choir or whatever it
was,
>> but in any case, she was a participant. In that kind of situation,
it is
>> difficult ot keep an eye on the child oneself.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allie" <alliemartins at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I
go
>> out
>>
>> >with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep
an
>> >eye
>> >on her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just
staying
>> >with her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she
has
>> >to
>> >answer me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing
and
>> >she
>> >has to stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early
to
>> >teach him to come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off
>> >playing somewhere else. It takes a lot of time and consistent
effort,
>> >but
>> I
>>
>> >think it pays off in the long run.
>> >
>> > -- Allie
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>> >>disorder
>> >>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>> >>because
>> a
>>
>> >>toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
putting
>> >>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >>
>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> >> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy
to
>> >>> worry
>> >>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
course,
>> >>> it's
>> >>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard
too
>> >>> many
>> >>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
could
>> >>> happen,
>> >>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
In
>> >>> fact, my
>> >>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>> >>> about
>> >>> five
>> >>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>> >>> saying
>> >>> is
>> >>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
that
>> >>> there
>> >>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted
by
>> >>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> >>> unless
>> >>> the
>> >>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense
intended
>> here,
>>
>> >>> but
>> >>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>> >>> other
>> >>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joy and family
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>> On
>> >>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
>> >>> word
>> >>> hereis "if".
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and
wandering is
>> >>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason
in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
wanders
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
deal
>> of
>> >>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
does
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
meaning
>> to
>>
>> >>>> be
>> >>>
>> >>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >>>> bells
>> >>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>> >>>> difficult.
>> >>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
child
>> >>>> leash
>> >>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open
helps
>> also.
>> >>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
button.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
when
>> >>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
I've
>> >>>> found
>> >>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
Sarah
>> in
>>
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>> >>>> avoid
>> >>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> >>>> available.
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
can
>> >>>> because
>> >>>
>> >>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>> >>>> Sarah
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
some
>> >>>> super
>> >>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
child's
>> >>>> safety,
>> >>>
>> >>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather
not go
>> >>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah
gets
>> older
>> >>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> lot
>> >>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
day
>> >>>> instead
>> >>>
>> >>>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>>> F
>> >>>> or what it's worth,
>> >>>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> possibility.
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>>>> loves
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his
life. We
>> >>>>>> were
>> >>>>>> at
>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>>>> really
>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
of
>> >>>>>> my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>> well
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
with a
>> >>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> to
>> >>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>>>>> had
>> >>>>>> him
>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>>> straining
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>> know
>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>>>> every
>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:21:41 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <008d01caf07e$66f92530$34eb6f90$@net>
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>> On the other hand, my daughter loves to hold my hand all the time. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joy Wolf
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:50 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Great Advice, Allie, and I think the answering thing is crucial.
>> Currently,
>> my son is having a challenge remembering to do this, and he's
spending a
>> lot
>> of time holding my hand, which he also hates, lol. That's our rule,
>> though,
>> if you don't answer me you have to hold my hand. Even my 7-year-old
>> knows
>> that if she doesn't answer she's going to get very embarrassed while
she
>> walks around holding my hand, lol. Having said that, I've taken my
kids
>> to
>> many of our main tourist attractions here in the Chicago area, the
zoo,
>> the
>> museum, the aquarium. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but I just
>> love
>> to get out with my kids. Having said that, it can also be a little,
ok a
>> lot, scary going out into crowded places like that. Harnesses are
very
>> nice, and are a great way to keep the young ones close, as no matter
what
>> we
>> try to do when they're a certain age they will sometimes wander.
Take
>> care.
>>
>> Joy and family
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Allie
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:56 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> I use the O'Pair Child Harness from www.travelingwithkids.com when I
go
>> out
>> with Gabbie. If my mom or siblings are around, they will help keep an
eye
>> on
>>
>> her for me, but for the most part, I am more comfortable just staying
>> with
>> her and having her attached to me. In a place like a park, she has to
>> answer
>>
>> me every time I call out to her, otherwise we stop playing and she
has to
>> stay with me, which she absolutely hates! It's not too early to teach
him
>> to
>>
>> come to you when called, or to answer you when he's off playing
somewhere
>> else. It takes a lot of time and consistent effort, but I think it
pays
>> off
>> in the long run.
>>
>> -- Allie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
disorder
>> in
>>
>> >toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
because a
>> >toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
putting
>> >that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> > To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very easy
to
>> >> worry
>> >> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
course,
>> it's
>> >> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have heard
too
>> >> many
>> >> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
could
>> >> happen,
>> >> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
In
>> fact,
>>
>> >> my
>> >> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age of
>> >> about
>> >> five
>> >> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
saying
>> is
>> >> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
that
>> there
>> >> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
toddler
>> >> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get distracted
by
>> >> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> >> unless
>> >> the
>> >> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense intended
>> >> here,
>> >> but
>> >> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way. In
>> >> other
>> >> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>
>> >> Joy and family
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
word
>> >> hereis "if".
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
is
>> >>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
the
>> >>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
wanders at
>> >>> the
>> >>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
deal
>> >>> of
>> >>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
does
>> >>> not
>> >>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
meaning
>> >>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>
>> >>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
bells
>> >>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
difficult.
>> >>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
child
>> leash
>> >>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> >>> also.
>> >>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
button.
>> >>> The
>> >>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
when
>> >>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
I've
>> found
>> >>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
Sarah
>> >>> in
>> >>> a
>> >>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
avoid
>> >>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> >>> available.
>> >>> I
>> >>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
can
>> >>> because
>> >>
>> >>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
>> >>> Sarah
>> >>> to
>> >>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
some
>> super
>> >>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
child's
>> >>> safety,
>> >>
>> >>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
go
>> >>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
>> >>> older
>> >>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
have a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
day
>> >>> instead
>> >>
>> >>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>> F
>> >>> or what it's worth,
>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might
>> >>>> be
>> a
>> >>>> possibility.
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>>> loves
>> >>
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>>>> were
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>>> really
>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>>> singers
>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
of my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> >>>>> well
>> >>
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
with a
>> >>>>> toddler
>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> rely
>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> had
>> >>>>> him
>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>> straining
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> know
>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>>> every
>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>>>> taking
>> >>>>> another one.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:23:09 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> She brought it up to touch all the possibilities of what could happen
at
>> any
>> given age, not necessarily meaning that this is what was going on. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tammy, Paul and Colyn
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> He's 15 months old, why would you even bring it up at all? I don't
know
>> too
>>
>> many small kids who don't wander away and get distracted easily.
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> >I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The operative
word
>> >hereis "if".
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
is
>> >> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
the
>> >> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
at
>> the
>>
>> >> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
deal
>> >> of
>> >> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
not
>> >> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
meaning
>> >> to
>> >> be rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >> bells
>> >> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>
>> >> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
difficult.
>> >> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> >> leash
>> >> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
>> >> also.
>> >> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
button.
>> The
>>
>> >> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
when
>> >> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> >> found
>> >> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
Sarah
>> >> in
>> a
>>
>> >> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
avoid
>> >> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
available.
>> I
>>
>> >> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> >> because I don't want to take away experiences that would be
valuable
>> >> for
>> >> Sarah to have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably
put
>> >> some super turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of
my
>> >> child's safety, I've personally decided that there are some places
I'd
>> >> rather not go unless I have a sighted companion. That may change
as
>> >> Sarah gets older and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get
out
>> >> often and have a lot of friends, and that I do things with her at
home
>> >> every single day instead of just being in the same room.
>> >> F
>> >> or what it's worth,
>> >> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>> loves to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> were
>>
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> >>>> well I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> to
>>
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> blparent mailing list
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:26:50 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <008f01caf07f$1f600620$5e201260$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Jo elizabeth, just because someone mentioned it, it doesn't mean it
is so
>> like you said. It was just a thought that in some cases, not
necessarily
>> meaning this one, it could happen. I think she was saying in some
>> realms
>> it is a possibility. Of course, you are right not at age 2. But it
is
>> nice
>> to know what is out there. It is nice to know what exists for the
>> future.
>> V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:04 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
some
>> day.
>> Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get asthma, but
>> it's
>> not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's not
because
>> they
>>
>> wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> > about
>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:27:23 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> That's what I just said. V
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry
about.
>> Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or if
>> you're
>> not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough information.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to worry
>> > about
>> > when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> loves
>>
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> well
>>
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> blparent mailing list
>> >>> blparent at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:21:04 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
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>>
>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>>
>>
>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office,
was
>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>
>>
>>
>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>
>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>> list
>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>
>>
http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Hous
ewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gi
f%27Housewife>
>> '
>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and
possessed
>> of
>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town
Registrar."
>>
>>
>>
>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>
>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>
>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>> Relations."
>>
>>
>>
>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as
though
>> she had not heard right.
>>
>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>> Then
>> I
>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black
ink on
>> the official questionnaire.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>> your
>> field?"
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>
>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself
reply,
>> "I
>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and
out).
>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole
family)
>> and
>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one
of
>> the
>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and
I
>> often
>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>> challenging
>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>
>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I
was
>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could
hear
>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child
development
>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>> official
>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind
than
>> "just another Mom."
>>
>>
>>
http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMothe
rhood
>> !
>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field
of
>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>
>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>
>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>> Assistants."
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends
you
>> know.
>>
>>
>>
>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>> happiness
>> come through your door!
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> Live simply.
>>
>> Love generously.
>>
>> Care deeply.
>>
>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:52:04 -0400
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <4DA9BE1D187E40569B7A1C670697625C at tammyPC>
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Agreed!
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
some
>> > day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
asthma,
>> but
>> > it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but it's
not
>> > because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all wandered!
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
worry
>> about
>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>> loves to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> were
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> >>>> well I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> to
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> blparent mailing list
>> >>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:54:22 -0300
>> From: Shannan Zinck <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID:
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>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
sound
>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me
in
>> the
>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> parents
>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>
>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
realized
>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
around
>> him
>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
spending
>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
reasons
>> we
>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
it's
>> not
>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>
>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>> were
>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship
team
>> to
>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing
at
>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
hardly
>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
even
>> now
>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>> call
>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>> anyone
>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him
and
>> I
>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
crowds
>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that
I
>> use
>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
sure
>> I
>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm
the
>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because
it
>> was
>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that
I'm
>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>> know
>> how. Some family members are against this because there was
mistreatment
>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash
and
>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>
>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to
go.
>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>
>> --
>> Shannan Zinck
>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:44:09 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>> Message-ID: <001a01caf0bc$36ce7b60$a46b7220$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I thought our group needed a little cheering up. v
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:21 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>> I've heard that story before, and i still love it. Lol.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:27 PM
>> Subject: [blparent] "Just A Mom"
>>
>>
>>
>> A woman, renewing her driver's license at the County Clerk 's office,
was
>> asked by the woman recorder to state her occupation.
>>
>>
>>
>> She hesitated, uncertain how to classify herself. "What I mean is, "
>> explained the recorder, "do you have a job or are you just a ....?"
>>
>> "Of course I have a job," snapped the woman. "I'm a Mom." "We don't
>> list
>> 'Mom' as an occupation,
>>
>>
http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif'Hous
ewife<http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gi
f%27Housewife>
>> '
>> covers it,? Said the recorder emphatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> I forgot all about her story until one day I found myself in the same
>> situation, this time at our own Town Hall.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Clerk was obviously a career woman, poised, efficient, and
possessed
>> of
>> a high sounding title like, "Official Interrogator" or "Town
Registrar."
>>
>>
>>
>> "What is your occupation?" she probed.
>>
>> What made me say it? I do not know? the words simply popped out.
>>
>> "I'm a Research Associate in the field of Child Development and Human
>> Relations."
>>
>>
>>
>> The clerk paused, ball-point pen frozen in midair and looked up as
though
>> she had not heard right.
>>
>> I repeated the title slowly emphasizing the most significant words.
>> Then
>> I
>> stared with wonder as my pronouncement was written, in bold, black
ink on
>> the official questionnaire.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Might I ask," said the clerk with new interest, "just what you do in
>> your
>> field?"
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>
>> Coolly, without any trace of fluster in my voice, heard myself
reply,
>> "I
>> have a continuing program of research, (what mother doesn't) in the
>> laboratory and in the field,(normally I would have said indoors and
out).
>> I'm working for my Masters, (first the Lord and then the whole
family)
>> and
>> already have four credits (all daughters). Of course, the job is one
of
>> the
>> most demanding in the humanities, (any mother care to disagree?) and
I
>> often
>> work 14 hours a day, (24 is more like it). But the job is more
>> challenging
>> than most run-of-the-mill careers and the rewards are more about the
>> satisfaction rather than just money."
>>
>> There was an increasing note of respect in the Clerk's' voice as she
>> completed the form, stood up, and personally ushered me to the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I drove into our driveway, buoyed up by my glamorous new career, I
was
>> greeted by my lab assistants -- ages 13, 7, and 3. Upstairs I could
hear
>> our new experimental model, (a 6 month old baby) in the child
development
>> program, testing out a new vocal pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> I felt I had scored a beat on bureaucracy! And I had gone on the
>> official
>> records as someone more distinguished and indispensable to mankind
than
>> "just another Mom."
>>
>>
>>
http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gifMothe
rhood
>> !
>> What a glorious career! Especially when there's a title on the door.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make Grandmothers "Senior Research Associates in the field
of
>> Child Development and Human Relations"
>>
>> And Great-grandmothers "Executive Senior Research Associates"?
>>
>> I think so!!! I also think it makes Aunts - "Associate Research
>> Assistants."
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send this to another Mom, Grandmother, Aunt, and other friends
you
>> know.
>>
>>
>>
>> May your troubles be less, your blessing be more, and nothing but
>> happiness
>> come through your door!
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>
>> Live simply.
>>
>> Love generously.
>>
>> Care deeply.
>>
>> Speak kindly... And leave the rest to God.
>>
>> http://www.commentsyard.com/graphics/butterflies/butterflies119.gif
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:51:35 -0600
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <001b01caf0bd$40abb340$c20319c0$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too
many
>> toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to
touch.
>> That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different,
some
>> wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't
care
>> and
>> are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first
one
>> who
>> glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be
fine
>> in
>> all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red
die,
>> some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>> To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
sound
>> advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered me
in
>> the
>> first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> parents
>> would be very bothered by that statement.
>>
>> While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
realized
>> which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
around
>> him
>> and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
spending
>> time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
reasons
>> we
>> needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
it's
>> not
>> a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>>
>> A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on. They
>> were
>> even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the worship
team
>> to
>> be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to sing
at
>> special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
hardly
>> plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
even
>> now
>> can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I would
>> call
>> hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just about
>> anyone
>> which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him. Him
and
>> I
>> are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
crowds
>> freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter that
I
>> use
>> to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
sure
>> I
>> am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think I'm
the
>> problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it because
it
>> was
>> cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them that
I'm
>> visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way I
>> know
>> how. Some family members are against this because there was
mistreatment
>> years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a leash
and
>> they associate a harness the same way.
>>
>> I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way to
go.
>> thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean to.
>>
>> --
>> Shannan Zinck
>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 00:14:51 -0400
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <17F4F657142349FB91B0191C851F407E at tammyPC>
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes I agree with that, but why should a mother of a 15 month old
child
>> have
>> to worry or get more info on a condition that her child doesn't have?
>> Why
>> would you raise this issue on the list about a child who's so young?
>>
>> Tammy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > That's what I just said. V
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>> > To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> > Well, I'll tell you what...There are a lot worse things to worry
about.
>> > Something is only worrisome if you don't know how to manage it or
if
>> > you're
>> > not familiar wit hit at all.Or, if you don't have enough
information.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
worry
>> about
>> >> when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might be
>> >>> a
>> >>> possibility.
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>>> Anyway
>> >>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>> loves
>> >
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> were
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>> singers
>> >>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> >>>> well
>> >
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> rely
>> >>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> him
>> >>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> to
>> >>>> know
>> >>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>> every
>> >>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>>> taking
>> >>>> another one.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:54:39 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>
>> We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about someone
who
>> is
>> going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
there's
>> a
>> big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but certainly not
>> theonly
>> one.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Agreed!
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
some
>> >> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
asthma,
>> >> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but
it's
>> >> not
>> >> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all
wandered!
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
worry
>> >>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tammy
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might
>> >>>> be
>> a
>> >>>> possibility.
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>>> loves to
>> >>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>>>> were at
>> >>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>>> really
>> >>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>>> singers
>> >>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
of my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> >>>>> well I
>> >>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
with a
>> >>>>> toddler
>> >>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> rely
>> >>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> had
>> >>>>> him
>> >>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>> straining
>> >>>>> to know
>> >>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
my
>> >>>>> friends
>> >>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>>> every
>> >>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>>>> taking
>> >>>>> another one.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> blparent mailing list
>> >>>>> blparent at nfbnet.org
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>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:40:57 -0600
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>> My son had his first taste of sidewalk chalk yesterday...Literally.
Lol.
>> He likes to study things and figure them out.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Veronica Smith" <madison_tewe at spinn.net>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Shannan, just remember almost all kids that age don't play with too
>> > many
>> > toys, they prefer boxes, papers and things they are not suppose to
>> > touch.
>> > That is what is wonderful about children, they are all different,
some
>> > wander, some are attached at the hip (like mine), some just don't
care
>> and
>> > are happy standing in one spot while others will go with the first
one
>> who
>> > glances their way. All we have to do is pray and hope they will be
>> > fine
>> > in
>> > all situations. Some bounce off the wall with sugar, some with red
>> > die,
>> > some with caffeine, just remember to love him no matter what. v
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Shannan Zinck
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:54 PM
>> > To: blparent at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> > Well I wasn't expecting to start a big argument just wanted some
sound
>> > advice. no matter. As for the ADHD thing well that never bothered
me in
>> > the
>> > first place but, I can see where being sensitive is important. Some
>> > parents
>> > would be very bothered by that statement.
>> >
>> > While I agree that his birth mom would watch him it needs to be
>> > realized
>> > which most of you wouldn't know she needs to be supervised when
around
>> him
>> > and his birth father really needs to be watched. There are serious
>> > circumstances surrounding their situation that prevent them from
>> > spending
>> > time with him without being closely watched. They are one of the
>> > reasons
>> > we
>> > needed to move out of the province. We don't go to Moncton much so
it's
>> > not
>> > a huge deal but, I do get nervous every time we need to go there.
>> >
>> > A sitter at the event with me is probably the best solution and
>> thankfully
>> > my friends were watching him much more closely then they let on.
They
>> were
>> > even more nervous for him than I was. I have had to quit the
worship
>> > team
>> > to
>> > be attentive to Myles but, I am a singer song writer and need to
sing
>> > at
>> > special events on occasion which makes things uncomfortable. Myles
>> > hardly
>> > plays with toys even at home thought I have no idea why. just not
>> > interested. He loves to drum and has since he was 5 months old and
even
>> > now
>> > can keep a beat. Just for the record he is no where near what I
would
>> call
>> > hyper he is just curious and loves people. He will talk to just
about
>> > anyone
>> > which is one of the main reasons I get nervous in crowds for him.
Him
>> > and
>> > I
>> > are completely opposite in this that he loves the busy crowds and
>> > crowds
>> > freak me out. If I would have left him home it would have had to be
>> > overnight and I'm just not ready for that yet because my sitter
that I
>> use
>> > to get for long periods lives in Moncton not where I am and I'm not
>> > sure
>> I
>> > am comfortable with who is here yet. He is very adaptable I think
I'm
>> > the
>> > problem not him. My harness is the horse back pack. I got it
because it
>> > was
>> > cute. People's comments don't bother me either I just tell them
that
>> > I'm
>> > visually impaired and need him close to me and this is the best way
I
>> know
>> > how. Some family members are against this because there was
>> > mistreatment
>> > years ago by an uncle and his son involving a dog collar and a
leash
>> > and
>> > they associate a harness the same way.
>> >
>> > I know I can't stop singing so a sitter seems the most prudent way
to
>> > go.
>> > thanks guys and sorry for stirring up a hornets nest didn't mean
to.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Shannan Zinck
>> > Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:14:13 -0700
>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>
>> I totally agree with everything in this post. The issue is making
sure
>> that our kids get a chance to have a full rich set of experiences,
and if
>> utilizing sighted friends hakes that fuller and richer than I think
that
>> is
>> just as valuable as the leash. I never used the harness, however now
>> that
>> my son is 13-years-old, I may need to start trying it out.
>>
>> One thing that Jordan did pretty well right from the beginning is he
>> would
>> make a point of checking in with me every 5 minutes or so by just
coming
>> over and putting his hand on my knee or something. It is not
something
>> that
>> I necessarily taught him directly, but just as a matter of course no
>> matter
>> what we were doing, I'd always ask him what he was doing, and can I
see.
>> It
>> was always light and fun, and he made it a habit to just come over
rather
>> than doing the "mama look" thing that allot of tottalers do.
>>
>> This helped me out in crowds as he just made it a habit of always
keeping
>> physical and verbal contact with me.
>>
>> It's more of a habit development rather than a good or bad behavior.
>>
>> Just another perspective.
>>
>> Amy M-H----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and wandering
is
>> > something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason in
the
>> > world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he wanders
at
>> > the
>> > age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
deal of
>> > knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively does
not
>> > exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
meaning to
>> be
>> > rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
bells
>> > about a problem that isn't there.
>> >
>> > Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
difficult.
>> > It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The child
>> > leash
>> > does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open helps
also.
>> > There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
button.
>> > The
>> > child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
when
>> > called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest, I've
>> > found
>> > that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
Sarah in
>> > a
>> > crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
avoid
>> > noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
available.
>> > I
>> > seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I can
>> because
>> > I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable for
Sarah
>> > to
>> > have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put some
>> > super
>> > turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my child's
>> safety,
>> > I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather not
go
>> > unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah gets
older
>> > and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and have
a
>> > lot
>> > of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single day
>> instead
>> > of just being in the same room.
>> > F
>> > or what it's worth,
>> > Jo Elizabeth
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD might
be
>> >> a
>> >> possibility.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
nighter.
>> >>> Anyway
>> >>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> loves
>> >>> to
>> >>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his life.
We
>> >>> were
>> >>> at
>> >>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found it
>> really
>> >>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>> singers
>> >>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most of
my
>> >>> friends
>> >>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
center.
>> well
>> >>> I
>> >>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and with
a
>> >>> toddler
>> >>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had to
>> >>> rely
>> >>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>> had
>> >>> him
>> >>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
straining
>> >>> to
>> >>> know
>> >>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust my
>> friends
>> >>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> every
>> >>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
about
>> >>> taking
>> >>> another one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:26:37 -0700
>> From: "Amy Murillo-Hicks" <amym2 at cox.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
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>>
>> The issue with this, is can the child focus when needed and
interested.
>> Not
>> does he/she move around allot.
>>
>> Kids especially boys have so much energy, and it is critical that
they
>> spend
>> it. When they cut PE from Jordan's school, he got in trouble every
day.
>> He
>> still does in middle school for being too figity. I made
arrangements
>> with
>> his teachers, in elementary school, for him to have the opportunity
to
>> run
>> around the playground when he could not sit still. Our society is so
much
>> different than it use to be for kids. Two things are happening.
>>
>> 1. The kids are changing, and they just sit in front of a TV or
computer
>> or
>> something, and obesity may become an issue, or
>> 2. They have a higher risk of being labeled.
>>
>> As blind parents, it is even more important that we get our kids out
and
>> moving. We all know what it is like to cary labels,and I know I
fight
>> even
>> harder to make sure labels don't get attached to my children if they
>> don't
>> have to be.
>>
>> ADD and ADHD is very real however. My husband has ADD, and he really
has
>> trouble with completing tasks, maintaining long sequenced trains of
>> thoughts, and all kinds of other issues that impact his life because
his
>> parents did not address it when he was a kid.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > My son is school age and still doesn't like to sit for any length
of
>> time.
>> > But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him.
>> >
>> > Tammy
>> >
>> > Tammydoesn't mean
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> No, you're not. I said nothing about todlers or preschoolers.
When i
>> >> say "outgrow" I mean by elementary schol age when children are
>> >> expected
>> >> to sit for longer periods. I also used the words "might be a
>> >> possibility", not "does have" or "is going to have". I ma
perfectly
>> well
>> >> aware of what is acceptable at toddler and preschool age, thank
you
>> >> very
>> >> much. Sorry about the post, everyone. Just clarifying a few
things
>> >> here.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:37 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I am paying attention. There is no such thing as hyperactivity
>> >>>disorder
>> >>>in toddlers, it is very rare in preschool age children, and just
>> >>>because
>> >>>a toddler wanders doesn't mean he might possibly have ADHD. Even
>> putting
>> >>>that out as a possibility at his age is absurd.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Joy Wolf" <joy at kevinlwolf.net>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:50 PM
>> >>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> I must respectfully agree that even with that if, it is very
easy to
>> >>>> worry
>> >>>> parents unnecessarily with those kinds of possibilities. Of
course,
>> >>>> it's
>> >>>> possible, but so are a lot of things. I guess maybe I have
heard
>> >>>> too
>> >>>> many
>> >>>> people, both acquaintances and professionals, go on about what
could
>> >>>> happen,
>> >>>> how a child might develop, and what if this doesn't get better.
In
>> >>>> fact, my
>> >>>> parents were told that developmentally I wouldn't pass the age
of
>> about
>> >>>> five
>> >>>> years. Lol, I'd like to think I did, though. I guess what I'm
>> >>>> saying
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> that I can see why some would be sensitive to even the thought
that
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> may be a problem, when what is being faced right now is normal
>> >>>> toddler
>> >>>> behavior. In fact, at four years old, my son will get
distracted by
>> >>>> something and wander, and there are no signs whatsoever of ADHD,
>> unless
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> only criteria is occasionally wandering away. No offense
intended
>> >>>> here, but
>> >>>> I can see why this might not have been taken in the best way.
In
>> other
>> >>>> words, why get ahead of ourselves? Have a good week everyone.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Joy and family
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> ]
>> >>>> On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Elizabeth Cooks
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:24 PM
>> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I said if he doesn't outgrow that. Pay attention. The
operative
>> >>>> word
>> >>>> hereis "if".
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hey, back up the bus. Shannon's son is very young, and
wandering
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> something that all toddlers do. There is absolutely no reason
in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> world to start thinking that he might have ADHD because he
wanders
>> >>>>> at
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> age of two, or somewhere around that age. I have a pretty good
>> >>>>> deal
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> knowledge about ADHD because of my stepson, and it positively
does
>> not
>> >>>>> exist in toddlers, and very rarely in preschoolers. I'm not
>> >>>>> meaning
>> >>>>> to be
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> rude or anything, but it's way too early to start ringing alarm
>> >>>>> bells
>> >>>>> about a problem that isn't there.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Having said that, keeping track of a toddler in a crowd is
>> >>>>> difficult.
>> >>>>> It's a strain for me even in a small church on Sundays. The
child
>> >>>>> leash
>> >>>>> does help, and having people you trust keep their eyes open
helps
>> >>>>> also.
>> >>>>> There are child locators that sound an alarm when you push a
>> >>>>> button.
>> >>>>> The
>> >>>>> child wears a beeper that goes off. Teaching a child to answer
>> >>>>> when
>> >>>>> called is good as he gets older. But to be perfectly honest,
I've
>> >>>>> found
>> >>>>> that without sighted help, it's very difficult to keep tabs on
>> >>>>> Sarah
>> >>>>> in a
>> >>>>> crowd. Because of that, I plan where I go if I am on my own to
>> >>>>> avoid
>> >>>>> noisy, busy situations, or I go when someone who can see is
>> available.
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> seek out opportunities to go places with sighted people when I
can
>> >>>>> because
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I don't want to take away experiences that would be valuable
for
>> Sarah
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> have, like playing on busy playgrounds. It will probably put
some
>> >>>>> super
>> >>>>> turbo independent blind people off, but for the sake of my
child's
>> >>>>> safety,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I've personally decided that there are some places I'd rather
not
>> >>>>> go
>> >>>>> unless I have a sighted companion. That may change as Sarah
gets
>> >>>>> older
>> >>>>> and more verbal, but for now, I make sure we get out often and
have
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> lot
>> >>>>> of friends, and that I do things with her at home every single
day
>> >>>>> instead
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> of just being in the same room.
>> >>>>> F
>> >>>>> or what it's worth,
>> >>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:47 PM
>> >>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might
>> be
>> >>>>>> a
>> >>>>>> possibility.
>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a
toddler
>> >>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>> loves
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his
life.
>> >>>>>>> We
>> >>>>>>> were
>> >>>>>>> at
>> >>>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I
found it
>> >>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one
of
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
of
>> >>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>>> well
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
with
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until
I
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there
too
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> him
>> >>>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> straining
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> know
>> >>>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
my
>> >>>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
>> >>>>>>> around
>> >>>>>>> every
>> >>>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:43:05 -0600
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> Message-ID: <F9EBF41731164D65A24FFD686B9357D6 at AsusDesktop>
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>> But Shannon never said her little boy was running like a motor all
the
>> time.
>> Besides, what fifteen-month-old doesn't?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:54 AM
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>>
>> > We're not talking about just wandering. We're talking about
someone
>> > who
>> > is going constantly and acts as if they're being driven by a motor.
>> > there's a big difference. That aside, that is an indicator, but
>> certainly
>> > not theonly one.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> > To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:52 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Agreed!
>> >>
>> >> Tammy
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at pcdesk.net>
>> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:03 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It's like saying that everybody who breathes might develop asthma
>> >>> some
>> >>> day. Everybody breathes, all toddlers wander. Some people get
>> >>> asthma,
>> >>> but it's not because they breathe. Some toddlers get ADHD, but
it's
>> not
>> >>> because they wander, or we'd all have ADHD because we all
wandered!
>> >>>
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------
>> >>> From: "Tammy, Paul and Colyn" <tcl189 at rogers.com>
>> >>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:17 AM
>> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What a rediculous suggestion! The very last thing we need to
worry
>> >>>> about when our toddlers wander is ADHD.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tammy
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Elizabeth Cooks" <elizabethcooks at comcast.net>
>> >>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:47 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Keep a child leash on him. If he doesn't outgrow that, ADHD
might
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> a possibility.
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>> From: "Shannan Zinck" <shannanzinck at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> To: <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:15 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: [blparent] toddler in crowds
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sooo went to Moncton this weekend for a missions trip. a 1
>> >>>>>> nighter.
>> >>>>>> Anyway
>> >>>>>> how do you guys cope with being in large crowds with a toddler
who
>> >>>>>> loves to
>> >>>>>> wander. He's a good kid but, can't keep still to save his
life. We
>> >>>>>> were at
>> >>>>>> an overnight shelter, (the one we used to work at) and I found
it
>> >>>>>> really
>> >>>>>> nerve racking. I used the harness when I could but, I'm one of
the
>> >>>>>> singers
>> >>>>>> so had to be up front and get some friends to watch him. Most
of
>> >>>>>> my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> are sighted so it's easier for them to chase him around the
>> >>>>>> center.
>> >>>>>> well I
>> >>>>>> am claustrophobic as well so crowds freak me out anyway and
with a
>> >>>>>> toddler
>> >>>>>> running around it's 10 times worse. I was sort of fine until I
had
>> to
>> >>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>> totally on my friends that's hard. His birth mom was there too
and
>> >>>>>> had him
>> >>>>>> much of the time so I was a little wary and was constantly
>> >>>>>> straining
>> >>>>>> to know
>> >>>>>> where he was and half the time I didn't know exactly. I trust
my
>> >>>>>> friends
>> >>>>>> but, I'm not always going to have the option of having them
around
>> >>>>>> every
>> >>>>>> time I take a trip. We did well on this trip but, quite leary
>> >>>>>> about
>> >>>>>> taking
>> >>>>>> another one.
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Shannan Zinck
>> >>>>>> Survival is letting GOD take over!!!
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