[blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
Kate McEachern
kflsouth at gmail.com
Thu Nov 10 00:42:30 UTC 2011
Yep. I think that's one to think about. I know a family who told their ten
year old that Santa was real after the kid asked for the trooth.
Now that's not cool.
Kate
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>
> On the topic of bending the truth, what is Santa Claus, after all?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pipi" <blahblahblah0822 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>
>
>> honestly I find it a very interesting subject and hope it continues. i
>> hope a few more people chime in with their answers. it's interesting to
>> see how everyone handles the situations that we all will have to deal
>> with at some point.
>> Jo Elizabeth, I applaud you for the way that you handled the bus
>> situation with Sarah. As I think of what I've done in the past, I think
>> that your way wasn't a lie yet let her know that even though she found it
>> she'd have to wait. Plus the cardboard box bus idea. :)
>> I think i'm done rambling for now.
>> Pipi
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jo Elizabeth Pinto" <jopinto at msn.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 4:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>
>>
>>> Okay, retract the claws and take a deep breath. I didn't mean to imply,
>>> or say in any way, that you fixing your husband's coffee a certain way
>>> had anything to do with people putting weird things into my food. I was
>>> replying to Sheila's post, and that's all. Maybe we should just drop
>>> this whole thing?
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant
>>> of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been
>>> all of these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943, American scientist
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>
>>>> Okay, stop making it sound like I'm sneaking funny things into my
>>>> husband's
>>>> food, but rather I'm simply trying to help take the best care of him
>>>> and
>>>> look out for his health. I just called my husband at work since he's
>>>> on
>>>> break to talk to him about this and see if it's ever really bothered
>>>> him and
>>>> he told me that he reminded me that I told him back at the start that I
>>>> was
>>>> going to do that to his coffee if I had to make it because I was
>>>> against him
>>>> drinking caffeine so late at night. He also told me not to get caught
>>>> up
>>>> with the accusations some are making because he knows that I'm not
>>>> being
>>>> controlling in the least, but love him so much I just want him to be as
>>>> healthy as possible. My husband then thanked me for looking out for
>>>> him so
>>>> much and we came to an agreement that he'll drink coffee like that only
>>>> on
>>>> the weekends since he knows that's not the best for him. I had
>>>> siblings
>>>> that did strange things to my food as a kid and I'd never do that to
>>>> anyone
>>>> so don't blow things out of proportion and compare me trying to cut my
>>>> husband's caffeine intake to that.
>>>>
>>>> Erin
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:52 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>
>>>> Now, that I hate. My brother and sister and even my dad used to do
>>>> weird
>>>> things to my food, like putting cheese or sour cream on when they knew
>>>> I
>>>> didn't like it, or slipping gummy bears into my pot pie. To this day,
>>>> I I'm
>>>> really careful about who serves me a plate if we go to a party and it's
>>>> a
>>>> buffet kind of thing. And that bit about open your mouth and close
>>>> your
>>>> eyes, here it comes, your big surprise--forget it! I won't do that for
>>>> anybody, ever.
>>>>
>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>>>> compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and
>>>> tolerant of
>>>> the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been
>>>> all of
>>>> these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943, American scientist
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:32 PM
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>
>>>>> People do weird things my aunt who has since moved away loved doing
>>>>> this kind of stuff like putting sour cream in a baked potato enen
>>>>> though I don't like it because she thought I wouldnt Notice because
>>>>> I'm blind. Or giving a coffee flavored dessert and I do't like or
>>>>> drink coffee and laugh because of course I notice. Very sstrange
>>>>> woman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheila Leigland
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:39 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List' <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>
>>>>> This bothers me re the husband. He's an adult, he can put a legal
>>>>> substance into his body without you giving it the okay.
>>>>> Now, if he's asked you to do this, then fine but this just seems a bit
>>>>> controling to me Sneaking stuff into food or out of food totally
>>>>> creeps me out.
>>>>> And if he is unaware of what you're doing, he can give inaccurate
>>>>> health information to his doctor. Or, do you control that aspect too?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:31 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we need to be careful not to read too much into these kinds of
>>>>> things. My parents could get away with certain things with my sighted
>>>>> siblings that they couldn't with me and my sighted siblings aren't
>>>>> bitter with them for that at all. We were all treated equally but my
>>>>> parents were smart and new what things they could do with each of us
>>>>> as individuals.
>>>>> For
>>>>> example, my sighted younger sister is not very observant so my mom new
>>>>> she could sneak veggies into the meatloaf right in front of her
>>>>> because she probably wouldn't even be paying attention. With me
>>>>> however, I could smell the veggies from a mile away and new right away
>>>>> my mom was using them in the meat loaf which I loved, but you get the
>>>>> point. Heck, there's things I do in front of my sighted husband that
>>>>> he's unaware of, like give him decaf coffee instead of the real stuff
>>>>> because I know it's better for him and he's addicted to having too
>>>>> much caffeine at night. It's a win-win because he feels more awake
>>>>> since he thinks he got the leaded stuff and I know I'm helping his
>>>>> health.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erin
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Marla Wertman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as blind adults though we need to be careful about this. I
>>>>> know it is just something as simple is buying a birthday present with
>>>>> blind child right there, and it's easy to get away with because they
>>>>> can't see it, but I see it is taking advantage of the fact that they
>>>>> can't see. To me that is close to lying.Maybe I'm not explaining this
>>>>> right, but my parents never did things like this to me. I was treated
>>>>> just like my sighted brother, because they wanted me to grow up as
>>>>> normal is possible.
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:43:36 -0700
>>>>> "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, let me tell you that I was an observant little thing but my mom
>>>>>> new just the ways to distract me to keep my mind off what was going
>>>>>> in the cart when I was young enough. It probably helped a ton that I
>>>>>> have always been super sociable and chatting with her and others in
>>>>>> the store was way more fun than items being pulled off the shelves.
>>>>>> Obviously this was easier than if I had sight and could see exactly
>>>>>> what
>>>>> was going into the cart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:25 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>>> I may disagree with you that a child who is blind would be unaware of
>>>>>> stuff longer, that sure didn't work with me from what my parents tell
>>>>>> me That may depend on the child/person though, some of us just like
>>>>>> to observe and pay attention and there are many ways to do this
>>>>>> without being
>>>>> obvious about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:18 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rebecca, I totally agree with what you're saying but please let me
>>>>>> clarify since we're talking about two different things. I'm
>>>>>> referring to parents cutting corners with kids young enough to be
>>>>>> totally unaware of what's going on. Naturally, this would last a
>>>>>> little longer with a blind child because the parent has the advantage
>>>>>> of the kid not being able to see what's in the cart. I guess why it
>>>>>> really didn't bother me was because I didn't know it was happening
>>>>>> since I was young enough and didn't find out that my folks were doing
>>>>>> this until I was much older. My folks didn't do this with me as an
>>>>>> older child and I think that's where the difference lies. It's like
>>>>>> getting something for your baby because they're a baby and don't know
>>>>>> the difference and no one would think any different about cutting
>>>>>> that corner and that's all I mean. If you're old enough to be aware
>>>>>> of it happening and parents are still doing it then that is wrong for
>>>> sure.
>>>>>> When it came to wrapping the gifts my mom had me help her with
>>>>>> wrapping everyone's gifts for years before I even thought about my
>>>>>> own gifts being placed into my own little paws which was always a
>>>>>> very special privilege that the other kids didn't get. When I was
>>>>>> getting older and came across one that I felt might be mine my mom
>>>>>> would say, "You don't want to spoil your fun for Christmas do you?"
>>>>>> and I smiled sheepishly and continued wrapping since it was such a
>>>>>> fun thing to share with mom and didn't bother me. If my mom saw at
>>>>>> all that I was bothered by this and felt taken advantage of then she
>>>>>> would have stopped for sure. Every kid's different as we all know
>>>>>> and some things
>>>>> bother one that don't bother another and that's where it's important
>>>>> to be receptive parents and treat each kid as an individuals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as kids finding gifts in hidden places goes, I'd just do what
>>>>>> my parents would do which was tell me that Santa can't store
>>>>>> everything for all the children in the world at the North Pole and so
>>>>>> they have parents store some gifts ahead of time to help him out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 11:38 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It matters if it hurts the person who is having the corners cut.
>>>>>> I don't recall my parents doing this, they went to great lengths to
>>>>>> keep stuff a surprise which I do appreciate.
>>>>>> Cutting corners is say, skipping a bath or having PB&J for supper
>>>>>> every now and then.
>>>>>> Would you feel this way if somebody planned a party for you and said
>>>>>> "f*** it, I didn't decorate because I knew you couldn't see it"? Or
>>>>>> "I could have gotten you a really neat kick with something you love
>>>>>> on it, but since you can't see it, I just picked one up at Giant?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Erin Rumer
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:07 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My parents got my gifts with me there at the store as well and I've
>>>>>> got to say I don't blame them. It's enough work to try and shop and
>>>>>> organize holiday details so why not cut corners where you can. Heck,
>>>>>> I'd do it if my kid was blind! SMILING My mom would even have me
>>>>>> wrap some of my gifts if they were in unidentifiable boxes which
>>>>>> killed me and made me laugh all at the same time. With Dawson I'm
>>>>>> going to take a trick from my mother-in-law and wrap the gifts inside
>>>>>> other things that are totally different shapes from the actual gifts.
>>>>>> For example, taking a old blanket that's not being used and wrapping
>>>>>> something smaller inside of that or hiding a gift inside a big ball
>>>>>> of newspaper. It doesn't have to be pretty, just has to do the
>>>>>> trick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Lisamaria Martinez
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:30 AM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Beware those sharp little eyes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, my parents wrapped my gifts in front of me too. In fact,
>>>>>> they'd shop for them in front of me. I thought it was rude and
>>>>>> totally unfair to do that just because I couldn't see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/11, Jo Elizabeth Pinto <jopinto at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi. For any of you moms who have little ones starting to run
>>>>>> > around and get into things, I thought I'd warn you about something
>>>>>> > I just learned the hard way. *Smile.* They'll see everything,
>>>>>> > especially what you don't want them to, and they'll remember.
>>>>>> > They're smarter than
>>>>>> we give them credit for.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I bought Sarah the Little People school bus because she's really
>>>>>> > into buses and planes and the like right now. The package came
>>>>>> > from Amazon while she was at preschool about a month ago, and I
>>>>>> > threw the boxes in the recycling bin and hid the toy at the top of
>>>>>> > my closet, thinking I was
>>>>>> pretty slick.
>>>>>> > Well, she saw part of a picture on one box sticking out of the bin.
>>>>>> > She asked about it, and I glossed over it. We moved on, and I
>>>>>> > thought she'd forgotten about the bus.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So this morning, I went to get a shirt from the closet, and Sarah
>>>>>> > wandered in behind me. All at once, she started jumping up and
>>>>>> > down, saying, "I see it! Up there! The bus toy really is here! I
>>>>>> > want that
>>>>>> bus toy!"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I guess I didn't hide it well enough. She saw the box peeking out
>>>>>> > from under a blanket on a high shelf and remembered the picture
>>>>>> > from the recycling bin. She had a bit of a meltdown because she
>>>>>> > knew the toy was there, but I wouldn't get it off the shelf for
>>>>>> > her. I couldn't really explain why, either. Now Santa Claus can't
>>>>>> > bring that toy to her, either, because it'll blow his cover. I'll
>>>>>> > have to give it to her from Mom and Dad, or maybe from her brother
>>>> Stephen.
>>>>>> > Anyway, my point is, when I was a kid, my family could (and did)
>>>>>> > wrap my presents right in front of me. But obviously, blind
>>>>>> > parents of sighted kids have to be very careful about these things.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Jo Elizabeth
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young,
>>>>>> > compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and
>>>>>> > tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you
>>>>>> > will have been all of these."--George Washington Carver, 1864-1943,
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