[blparent] From the Moderator - was Full and Open Disclosure

Steve Jacobson steve.jacobson at visi.com
Sat Jun 9 03:35:38 UTC 2012 

Dear list,

This entire exchange needs to stop.  Gave, I have asked that people who have complaints about posts should complain to me or the person doing the 
posting.  Jo Elizabeth, if she is writing to you, is doing what she should do by dealing with you directly.  You could be in some legal trouble if you forward 
private posts to a list so please do not do that.  I am not a lawyer or a judge, so it is not my mjob to figure out if she wrote to you or was at the zoo or 
whatever or if she is out of line, she and you are both adults.  

Jo Elizabeth, you did the right thing writing to Gabe off list, if that is what you did, but both you and Gabe are repeatedly and continually ignoring my 
request to take this off list by continuing this on the list as well.  You didn't need to defend yourself to the degree you did, you are not giving us enough 
credit to look at both sides.  Several of the rest of you, and I won't mention names but I could, have revived this thread when this thread was almost done.  
To say you had to write because of what someone else wrote just doesn't cut it.The sad thing is that not a thing was learned about blind parenting and 
not one thing has really been resolved.

>From here on out until I figure out to what degree I can let up, anything other than discussions that are directly concerned with blind parenting are off 
topic.  That includes the price of Gabe's suits, Jo Elizabeth's income, and whether either of them should have written what they did.  We received a new 
member today, let's work on impressing her as to what a good resource this list is, as it usually is.  If anyone objects to what I've said here, by all means I'm 
glad to hear from you directly, but not on this list.  

I appreciate help from everyone.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson, 

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:27:26 -0700, Gabe Vega wrote:

>I am confident that Steve or Dave will see this for what it is. I have the emails to prove it. I was attacked today, unprovoked. off list for contributions I 
made on the list. that is not acceptable.
>Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
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>Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
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>Website: http://thebt.net

>On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Brandy W wrote:

>> Gabe, I am most likely going to be leaving this list because you have made
>> it the most unpleasant place to read mail on. Did you not ever hear that if
>> you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? I wish you
>> didn't always need the last word, and could act like the adult you clame to
>> be. I'm really tired of the way you turn our happy list into a war zone a
>> minimum of once a week.
>> 
>> Bran
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "To learn to read is to light a fire; every syllable that is spelled out is
>> a spark." 
>> - Victor Hugo 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:01 PM
>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Full and Open Disclosure
>> 
>> Interesting, since I was at the zoo all day with my kids.  Now we're going
>> to the pool, so I'll deal with this later.  I hope you sent Steve all of
>> your vicious, vindictive e-mails, too.
>> 
>> 
>> Jo Elizabeth
>> 
>> "A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a
>> song."  Maya Angelou
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Gabe Vega" <theblindtech at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:54 PM
>> To: "Blind Parents Mailing List" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] Full and Open Disclosure
>> 
>>> really Joe? its a good thing I forwarded all of your harassing emails 
>>> to Steve because other wise it would have seemed like I'm just some 
>>> evil blind man picking on you. when in fact, you emailed me first, 
>>> cussing at me and calling me very mean and nasty names about how I made
>> you feel.
>>> emails that I have been receiving for the past 6 hours since this morning.
>> 
>>> it was only after I told you that I knew you were a lyer. thanks to a 
>>> phone call. I never said I accessed your info online, being that 
>>> Social Security information is not available to the general public via the
>> world
>>> wide web.   now please, leave me alone. Thank you.
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
>>> Phone Voice/Text: (623) 565-9357
>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/blindtech
>>> FaceBook: http://facebook.com/blindtech
>>> Website: http://thebt.net
>>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Jo Elizabeth Pinto wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, all.  Gabe Vega, in a private message he wrote to me, accused me 
>>>> of misrepresenting my income and job situation to this list in an 
>>>> effort to make myself look better than I really am.  Moreover, he 
>>>> claims to have looked my personal information up online, which is how 
>>>> he found out about the supposed lies I told.  I shouldn't have to 
>>>> justify myself to him or to anybody else, but I try to live a life of 
>>>> integrity, and so, in case any of the rest of you feel that I 
>>>> portrayed myself dishonestly, here is the whole truth.
>>>> 
>>>> I receive a monthly check from the Social Security Administration, 
>>>> but it is an SSD check, not SSI or welfare, as Gabe originally 
>>>> claimed.  I was on SSI at one time, but I eventually paid into the 
>>>> system enough to qualify for SSD, as per the regulations of the United
>> States government.
>>>> I still pay into the system via yearly income taxes, and a 15% Social 
>>>> Security tax, which is required of people who are self-employed.  I'm 
>>>> sorry if my denial of receiving SSI or welfare was interpreted to 
>>>> mean that I got no government money at all.
>>>> 
>>>> In addition to my monthly SSD check, which is just enough to cover my
>>>> $921 mortgage payment, I also work as an independent contractor, 
>>>> proofreading braille for several production houses across the country.
>>>> Gabe accused me of playing up the income from my job when it was, he 
>>>> said, in actuality pocket change.  Last year I made $10,623.95, gross 
>>>> income.  In the first year I started doing freelance proofreading, 
>>>> which was 2005, I earned $20,750.85.  In my best year, which was 
>>>> 2006, I grossed $28,653.30.  The economy is very far down since then.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerald, who is not my husband, makes fairly good money as the sole 
>>>> proprietor of a watch and clock repair shop in the town where we 
>>>> live.  I am not at liberty to disclose the figures.  However, he has 
>>>> another household for which he is largely, though not wholly, 
>>>> responsible.  So, as I said in my original defense against Gabe's 
>>>> first attacking post, most of the money to support myself and my daughter
>> comes from me.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know exactly what information Gabe found out about me online, 
>>>> or how he came by what he did locate.  I feel threatened by the fact 
>>>> that he decided to dig into my private business via the Internet, and 
>>>> if he can really ferret out facts as easily as he says he can, the 
>>>> rest of you ought to be careful not to bring his wrath, or his 
>>>> detective skills, down on your heads.  But I'm not threatened by 
>>>> telling the truth, and so I have given all of you a full and open 
>>>> disclosure of the facts in question.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> "A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it 
>>>> has a song."  Maya Angelou 
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