[blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being Hitby a Car

Wed Sep 25 00:21:12 UTC 2013

He wanted dog guide users opinion on a few things if you recall?

-----Original Message-----
From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Paul
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:56 PM
To: Blind Parents Mailing List
Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being
Hitby a Car

I thought that Mr. Andrews asked late yesterday for this topic & thread to 
be dropped?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 17:51
Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being 
Hitby a Car

> Yes, Steve I agree.  It is in no way a dog guide's responsibility to look
> after a child and if it happens in a troubled moment than that's a 
> miracle.
> My son is my responsibility and anything my dog might do to keep him safe 
> or
> help him is just icing on the cake.  Even now with my son not quite 3 yet,

> I
> explain to my son that my guide's job is to keep mommy safe so if he's
> holding my hand and walking by my side he needs to look ahead for 
> obstacles
> so he doesn't hit anything.  I'm fortunate that my guide is extremely in
> tune to my son and really looks out for him but this is in no way expected
> of him.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Erin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
> Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:46 AM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being
> Hitby a Car
>
> Mostly, we seem to be working through this somewhat difficult topic. 
> While
> I would tend to leave turning in people to be investigated to others, I
> don't think it hurts to have a discussion surrounding this article as we
> have.  I find myself having the same concerns about this article expressed
> by others.  This article might be a good promotion for dog guides, but it
> really does nothing at all to help those of us who are blind parents, in
> fact I think it hurts us.  I think we have to be a little careful about
> making assumptions based upon the facts stated in this article, though. 
> Did
> the dog actually push the stroler out of the way or did the dog simply 
> halt
> their progress.  Was the car truly aiming right at them at the time?  Do 
> we
> know for certain that the mother wouldn't have successfully pulled the
> stroler back?  There was reference to the squeal of tires, so clearly the
> driver was trying to stop.  We don't really know if this happened as 
> written
> or if someone was looking for a dramatic feel-good story.
> For that reason, we really do need to be careful about judging the mother 
> in
> this case because we really cannot evaluate all of the facts.
>
> Having said that, and since it came up, I would appreciate it if those of
> you who use dog guides would explain to those of us who don't how anyone
> would expect a dog to physically move a stroler out of the path of a car.
> This is very different from alerting the person using the dog that they
> should stop.  A dog could even push is body against the handlers legs to
> make the point.
> However, it is extremely difficult to push a stroler with rubber wheels
> sideways in some cases.  If a school teaches someone to push the stroler
> when using a dog, that person can probably not be blamed for doing that, 
> but
> it is very hard for me to see this as a good practice.  I can see that 
> with
> a dog, the stroler is going to be covered better than it would be if I 
> were
> trying to push it and use my cane, but it still seems to me that there are
> unnecessary risks except in very familiar areas.  Somehow, it seems to me
> that a dog's responsibility should be to protect the handler, and the
> handler should be protecting the child in the stroler, not placing that
> responsibility on the dog.  How do those of you who use dogs see this?
>
> Let's continue to try to keep emotions in check as we have so far.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
> List Moderator
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:38:09 -0400, Tammy wrote:
>
>>I know some people who are blind who push their strollers ahead of them
>>while using a guide dog and although I dont' agree with the practice,
>>some schools teach their dogs to guide that way if necessary.  A
>>stroller is much easier to push then to pull and maybe she felt 
>>comfortable
> pushing hers.
>
>>Tammy
>>--Original Message-----
>>From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:14 AM
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>>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From
>>Being Hitby a Car
>
>>Was no one else asking themselves, what was this blind mother doing
>>pushing her stroller I had of her when crossing a street, does this not
>>place the baby in danger if she was totally blind? Sounds kind of funny
>>to me, and I get the gist of the story is the capabilities and/or
>>intuition of the guy dog, but I have more questions than answers at
>>this point
>
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>>> On Sep 23, 2013, at 6:52 AM, "Tammy" <tcl189 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes, all 3 of them.
>>>
>>> Tammy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] [blparent]
>>> Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car
>>>
>>> Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car by Mary
>>> Fischer Friday at 1:12 PM
>>>
>>> Mom Jessica Crowley is thanking her lucky stars after her guide dog
>>> saved her baby's life by pushing his stroller out of the way of a car
>>> that was heading straight for it.
>>>
>>> Jessica is registered blind, and her black lab, Jet, has been by her
>>> side for five years. While getting ready to cross the street pushing
>>> her son Jacob's stroller, she heard the screech of a car coming in
>>> their direction. And just before it hit, Jet broke loose from
>>> Jessica's grip and knocked the stroller out of the way. It did fall
>>> over and the baby wound up with a cut on his lip, but if it weren't
>>> for Jet's quick actions, something much worse could have happened.
>>>
>>> Jessica says that Jet loves little Jacob as if he were her own, which
>>> is evident based on how she reacted when she realized he was in
>>> danger. Who says a dog can't have mama bear instincts -- even if a
>>> human baby is the one she's trying to protect? It's amazing how even
>>> though she's trained to assist Jessica, she immediately switched gears
> and came to Jacob's rescue.
>>>
>>> I'm sure this mom keeps replaying what happened over and over again
>>> in her mind -- I know I would if my son had almost been hit by a car.
>>> And I don't know how I'd ever be able to give that dog enough love
>>> and praise to thank her for what she did -- though something tells me
>>> dogs do what they feel is right without expecting anything much in
> return.
>>>
>>> What a blessing it is that Jessica had Jet with her that day. I'm
>>> sure every time she hears her sweet baby boy's voice, she's once
>>> again reminded of what a gem of a dog she has in her life!
>>>
>>> Is your dog protective of your baby?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/161452/moms_guide_dog_saves_her
>>>
>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>
>>> Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay,
>>> you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round
>>> and full at evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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