[blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being Hitby a Car

Wed Sep 25 01:17:16 UTC 2013

Damn,

It was just an article....not an assignment for critique and evaluation!

On 9/24/13, Erin Rumer <erinrumer at gmail.com> wrote:
> He wanted dog guide users opinion on a few things if you recall?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Paul
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:56 PM
> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being
> Hitby a Car
>
> I thought that Mr. Andrews asked late yesterday for this topic & thread to
> be dropped?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erin Rumer" <erinrumer at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Parents Mailing List'" <blparent at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 17:51
> Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her BabyFrom Being
> Hitby a Car
>
>
>> Yes, Steve I agree.  It is in no way a dog guide's responsibility to look
>> after a child and if it happens in a troubled moment than that's a
>> miracle.
>> My son is my responsibility and anything my dog might do to keep him safe
>>
>> or
>> help him is just icing on the cake.  Even now with my son not quite 3
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> explain to my son that my guide's job is to keep mommy safe so if he's
>> holding my hand and walking by my side he needs to look ahead for
>> obstacles
>> so he doesn't hit anything.  I'm fortunate that my guide is extremely in
>> tune to my son and really looks out for him but this is in no way
>> expected
>> of him.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Erin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blparent [mailto:blparent-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
>> Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:46 AM
>> To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being
>> Hitby a Car
>>
>> Mostly, we seem to be working through this somewhat difficult topic.
>> While
>> I would tend to leave turning in people to be investigated to others, I
>> don't think it hurts to have a discussion surrounding this article as we
>> have.  I find myself having the same concerns about this article
>> expressed
>> by others.  This article might be a good promotion for dog guides, but it
>> really does nothing at all to help those of us who are blind parents, in
>> fact I think it hurts us.  I think we have to be a little careful about
>> making assumptions based upon the facts stated in this article, though.
>> Did
>> the dog actually push the stroler out of the way or did the dog simply
>> halt
>> their progress.  Was the car truly aiming right at them at the time?  Do
>> we
>> know for certain that the mother wouldn't have successfully pulled the
>> stroler back?  There was reference to the squeal of tires, so clearly the
>> driver was trying to stop.  We don't really know if this happened as
>> written
>> or if someone was looking for a dramatic feel-good story.
>> For that reason, we really do need to be careful about judging the mother
>>
>> in
>> this case because we really cannot evaluate all of the facts.
>>
>> Having said that, and since it came up, I would appreciate it if those of
>> you who use dog guides would explain to those of us who don't how anyone
>> would expect a dog to physically move a stroler out of the path of a car.
>> This is very different from alerting the person using the dog that they
>> should stop.  A dog could even push is body against the handlers legs to
>> make the point.
>> However, it is extremely difficult to push a stroler with rubber wheels
>> sideways in some cases.  If a school teaches someone to push the stroler
>> when using a dog, that person can probably not be blamed for doing that,
>> but
>> it is very hard for me to see this as a good practice.  I can see that
>> with
>> a dog, the stroler is going to be covered better than it would be if I
>> were
>> trying to push it and use my cane, but it still seems to me that there
>> are
>> unnecessary risks except in very familiar areas.  Somehow, it seems to me
>> that a dog's responsibility should be to protect the handler, and the
>> handler should be protecting the child in the stroler, not placing that
>> responsibility on the dog.  How do those of you who use dogs see this?
>>
>> Let's continue to try to keep emotions in check as we have so far.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>> List Moderator
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:38:09 -0400, Tammy wrote:
>>
>>>I know some people who are blind who push their strollers ahead of them
>>>while using a guide dog and although I dont' agree with the practice,
>>>some schools teach their dogs to guide that way if necessary.  A
>>>stroller is much easier to push then to pull and maybe she felt
>>>comfortable
>> pushing hers.
>>
>>>Tammy
>>>--Original Message-----
>>>From: Gabe Vega Via Iphone4S
>>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:14 AM
>>>To: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>Cc: Blind Parents Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [blparent] [Bulk] Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From
>>>Being Hitby a Car
>>
>>>Was no one else asking themselves, what was this blind mother doing
>>>pushing her stroller I had of her when crossing a street, does this not
>>>place the baby in danger if she was totally blind? Sounds kind of funny
>>>to me, and I get the gist of the story is the capabilities and/or
>>>intuition of the guy dog, but I have more questions than answers at
>>>this point
>>
>>>Gabe Vega
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>>
>>>> On Sep 23, 2013, at 6:52 AM, "Tammy" <tcl189 at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, all 3 of them.
>>>>
>>>> Tammy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jo Elizabeth Pinto
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:54 AM Subject: [Bulk] [blparent]
>>>> Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car
>>>>
>>>> Mom's Guide Dog Saves Her Baby From Being Hit by a Car by Mary
>>>> Fischer Friday at 1:12 PM
>>>>
>>>> Mom Jessica Crowley is thanking her lucky stars after her guide dog
>>>> saved her baby's life by pushing his stroller out of the way of a car
>>>> that was heading straight for it.
>>>>
>>>> Jessica is registered blind, and her black lab, Jet, has been by her
>>>> side for five years. While getting ready to cross the street pushing
>>>> her son Jacob's stroller, she heard the screech of a car coming in
>>>> their direction. And just before it hit, Jet broke loose from
>>>> Jessica's grip and knocked the stroller out of the way. It did fall
>>>> over and the baby wound up with a cut on his lip, but if it weren't
>>>> for Jet's quick actions, something much worse could have happened.
>>>>
>>>> Jessica says that Jet loves little Jacob as if he were her own, which
>>>> is evident based on how she reacted when she realized he was in
>>>> danger. Who says a dog can't have mama bear instincts -- even if a
>>>> human baby is the one she's trying to protect? It's amazing how even
>>>> though she's trained to assist Jessica, she immediately switched gears
>> and came to Jacob's rescue.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure this mom keeps replaying what happened over and over again
>>>> in her mind -- I know I would if my son had almost been hit by a car.
>>>> And I don't know how I'd ever be able to give that dog enough love
>>>> and praise to thank her for what she did -- though something tells me
>>>> dogs do what they feel is right without expecting anything much in
>> return.
>>>>
>>>> What a blessing it is that Jessica had Jet with her that day. I'm
>>>> sure every time she hears her sweet baby boy's voice, she's once
>>>> again reminded of what a gem of a dog she has in her life!
>>>>
>>>> Is your dog protective of your baby?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/161452/moms_guide_dog_saves_her
>>>>
>>>> Jo Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay,
>>>> you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round
>>>> and full at evening.--Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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