[blparent] Subject: Original Sin

Sat Jul 22 16:03:41 UTC 2017

Good Morning,
This individual was thrown off other lists already.  Unfortunately, he collects emails.  I am finding him harassing.  Moderator, please take him off the list and block his emails.

Respectfully,

Marianne

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Subject: Re: [blparent] Subject: Original Sin

This subject is off-topic. I know I'm not a moderator, but do you guys think you could please take it off the list. I understand that this list is to discuss parenting is blind people. Not politics.

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> On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Bob Evans via BlParent <blparent at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, thank you for your response. I just would like to append 
> further assertions. Based on your stark reluctance to tackle any of my 
> theological challenges, it is considered an implicit defeatism for 
> your camp. Protestants are not more than mere servants to Zionism. And 
> as for your Christology devotion, it is considerably undistinguished.
> Your endorsement to the apartheid Zionist state is intrinsically 
> inalienable. Thence, our duty is to incessantly engage with you in 
> relentless combat missions until your party is perfectly discomfited.
> Your ministry doesn’t base its tenets on nothing but an oblique hope 
> of a theoretical scheme of salvation. The assumption that someone 
> could have died for your sin is substantially Laputan and 
> consequently, it is unlikely to be rectifiable. In Trump’s damnable 
> era, your state of dismay has just started. Americanisation is quite 
> fragile and its global leadership is about to diminish. Your oval 
> office is  rotten to the core. Jews have constantly been dominating 
> your denomination since Martin Luther era and even earlier to that 
> time. There are many Muslims whom I knew have abandoned Islam to 
> Christianity. Nevertheless, I never fathomed the relationship between 
> becoming Christian, residing in the States and endorsing Zionists. I 
> wish you have got sufficient courage to tackle this challenge in the 
> slightest. I urge you to ponder properly on what I proposed. If you 
> ever perceived the demand to clarify what might be vague to you, 
> kindly, keep me notified. Best wishes, Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/21/17, Marty Purvis <wuas at wake-up.org> wrote:
>> Hello Mostafa:
>> 
>> Thank you for your email.
>> 
>> Our views on religious matters are very far apart.
>> So far, that further discussion would most likely be fruitless.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Larry Wilson
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Contact Page Message < 
>> postmaster at wake-up.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Mostafa, technically Bob <ebob824 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Original Sin
>>> 
>>> Visitor's Message:
>>> Hello. I am Mostafa Almahdy. Bob Evans is just a technical name. I 
>>> used to be called so when I worked at an American call centre here 
>>> in Cairo. So, it is still my name. In the subsequent segment, I’ll 
>>> present the Christian narrative of Original Sin in addition to 
>>> posing crucial queries and denotative rebuttals. What is Original 
>>> Sin in Christianity? It is a sin said to be inherited by all 
>>> descendants of Adam. When Adam and Eve sinned, death entered to the 
>>> world. Thence, God demanded to be paid to redeem humanity. He then 
>>> sacrificed his only begotten son to ransom us. This account may 
>>> ostensibly seem to be reasonable. Be that as it may, it contains 
>>> major defects. First of which, it portrays the divine with 
>>> imperfection. It doesn’t recognise his omnipotence. Why? Because 
>>> according to this theology, he demanded to be paid in order to 
>>> redeem. At its inception, I have couple of questions for clergy. 
>>> First, has Adam been destined to be eternal in Eden? Second, when he 
>>> committed his ever first sin, why hasn’t he been given one chance to 
>>> repent? Third, when Adam ate from the tree of knowing good and evil, 
>>> he became like God according to Genesis. A question here, has he 
>>> been punished because he became aware of good and evil? It is 
>>> assumed that he didn’t know good and evil until he ate from the tree 
>>> of knowing good and evil. So, how could God punish an innocent? And 
>>> as for sin inheritance, if a man and a woman committed adultery, 
>>> could we possibly hold their child accountable for what they have 
>>> done? This is the precise logic exploited in Christian concept of 
>>> Original Sin. And as for redemption and forfeiture, if God was paid 
>>> to redeem, how could he still forgive? If I supposedly wounded 
>>> someone, does he has the right to retaliate? Yes, he certainly does. 
>>> And, if he wanted to forgive me, could he still retaliate? No, he 
>>> surely couldn’t. It’s either forgiveness or retaliation, it couldn’t 
>>> be both. And as for Christ, how could an innocent bear the guilty’s 
>>> iniquity? According to traditional Christian theology, death entered 
>>> to the world when Adam and Eve sinned.
>>> Therefore, someone had to die for this. He had to be impeccant and, 
>>> he had to die forever. Christians preach that Jesus is the one who 
>>> paid for this.
>>> The question is, did he die forever? According to Christian story, 
>>> he died for three days. Well actually, he died for less than that if 
>>> you think of it a bit. Jesus’s date of Crucifixion and resurrection 
>>> differs from gospel to another. Please, don’t take my word for this. 
>>> I urge you to just check John nineteen and Mark fifteen. Most 
>>> Christians today believe that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon and 
>>> risen on a fine Easter Sunday morning. As for Adventists, they do 
>>> not believe in this. They even have their Sabbath held on Saturday. 
>>> Christian innovation of Original Sin is remarkably exposed. I urge 
>>> southern laity and their associates to genuinely ponder on the 
>>> scenario encountered in Christian theology. If Adam sinned and we 
>>> were contagiously destined to be anathematised eternally, why didn’t 
>>> Jesus die forever then? I believe that my points are critical and 
>>> thus, they deserve thorough attention. It is a bit odd to just rely 
>>> on the thought that someone theoretically died for my sins and then, 
>>> go do whatever I want.
>>> We
>>> bear witness western Christians who basically don’t care about what 
>>> they do. They eat explicitly prohibited cattle, they vastly consume 
>>> alcoholic beverages and they carelessly engage in illicit wedlock. 
>>> Where is your devotional consignment? Religious life is the last 
>>> thing a lay western Christian wants to think of. I respectfully ask 
>>> you to ponder on your religious responsibility. As a Muslim, what 
>>> prevents me from having a girlfriend? Well, nothing but my religion 
>>> which holds me fully accountable for either righteous or vicious 
>>> deeds. Why Christian tradition is so tolerant with the culture of 
>>> boyfriend and girlfriend illicit relationships? As you can see, 
>>> despite the concept’s fraudulently emotional prettification, it is 
>>> besieged with numerously irreconcilable discrepancies. This is the 
>>> primary tenet upon which your whole faith is based, this is indeed 
>>> the backbone of Christianity. If someone disagrees with this 
>>> statement,  well, tell me then, how could the account of Crucifixion 
>>> and Redemption be presented without basing it on the Christian 
>>> concept of Original Sin? I seriously attempt to fathom. I do not 
>>> intend to deride or ridicule. I am totally convinced that Christians 
>>> have absolute right to broadly proselytize, to keenly call for their 
>>> faith. Yes, they have the right to do so on one condition. I urge 
>>> them to refrain from using fallacious rhetoric in their dialog. It 
>>> just makes their stance quite attenuated and thus, susceptible  to 
>>> easily crumble under critical scrutiny. I am prepared to be 
>>> christened if someone convinced me with plain reasonableness that 
>>> what you believe is the truth. I do not give credit to Christian 
>>> portraiture of original sin. Now, if you want to convince someone to 
>>> become Christian, you have got to explain this mystery to him. For 
>>> some reason, it seems to be unexplainable to me. It looks like as if 
>>> someone worked it out or made it up. So basically, I feel it is 
>>> quite perturbing to  conjointly destine our whole human species to 
>>> hell for no fault of its own. However, some pastors tend to baffle 
>>> between holding the innocent versus the guilty accountable, either 
>>> instigants or actual actors. Pastor Jacob of Michigan believes that 
>>> instigants are not to be held accountable.
>>> Who is an instigant?                      An instigant is someone who
>>> deliberately foments trouble. So, if hateful pastors provoked mass 
>>> Muslim offence that led to broad outrage, they are basically held 
>>> accountable for any casualty or fatality rate. Similarly, if Muslim 
>>> clerics caused hate because of their radical speech, they are wholly 
>>> held accountable for any erupted tension  in the community. So, 
>>> statutorily, instigants are equally held accountable just as actual 
>>> actors. So, if a girl who is absolutely gorgeous wore a staggeringly 
>>> provocative outfit to purposely beguile men, she is partly held 
>>> accountable for the lust she consciously  instigated.
>>> It
>>> seems that    fibbers and  chisellers are not willing to address the
>>> subject of Original Sin fairly. They tend to breach with decisive facts.
>>> Therefore, their theology is incessantly subjected to critical criticism.
>>> Some of them even asked me, whether we as Muslims are sure we are 
>>> going to heaven. I wouldn’t ever assure I am going to heaven unless 
>>> with providential amnesty. I would say it is unjustified pride if I 
>>> ever thought I am absolutely going to heaven. It just contradicts 
>>> with enjoined humility. Islam teaches us to be pious and to devote 
>>> ourselves to doing good deeds. I on multiple occasions attempted to 
>>> establish a mutually deferential dialog with southern pastors. 
>>> Nevertheless, they failed to comply to this. Their level of timidity 
>>> did not match with my expectations.
>>> I tell them, if you ever wanted to learn about Islam, it is not an 
>>> encouraging motive to obliviously quote oriental literature. First 
>>> off, you desperately demand to develop proper command of Arabic. 
>>> Moreover, your prejudicial notion doesn’t do more than 
>>> substantiating your unprecedented nescience. If Original Sin wasn’t 
>>> the fundamental belief of Christianity, it would have not been used 
>>> to constitute its doctrinal tenets. I civilly postulate this 
>>> theological conversation because I am quite interested in 
>>> comparative theology. For each faith, there are fundamental tenets. 
>>> I challengingly assert that without Original Sin, Christianity would 
>>> have not ever existed. For emotional motives, the idea that someone 
>>> died in the cause of your salvation is quite appealing. However, as 
>>> we saw, it has many defects if it is to be illustrated in moderately 
>>> rational disposal. I await to hear pastoral response. But please, we 
>>> do not need to either equivocate nor unconscionably philosophise the 
>>> matter. It rather has to be simplified in a rationally 
>>> straightforward manner. Beating around the bush has intemperately 
>>> fell at the first hurdle. Thank you for reading, Mostafa, 
>>> technically Bob Evans.
>>> 
>>> --
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>> 
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