[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Mon Oct 4 16:34:13 UTC 2010
Hello Diane,
I am sorry that your list serve expirience has not beena positive one!
It is not always the case that one's expirience always has to be
one not so supportitive.
On 10/4/10, Diane Vlasoff <vlasoff at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Hi Aziza,
>
> Many of us who have commented on nfb list serves in the past have found that
> our responses are denied for no apparent reason. I once commented on
> something and had it rejected. I didn't know why. My request for
> clarification was ignored, and so I for one only keep these list serves for
> general information.
>
> Sorry for this unfortunate response.
>
> Diane Vlasoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Aziza C
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> It's the Darian Angela and Aziza show, with our special guest Mike!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:16 PM
> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>
> I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
> a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
> ....
> Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
> *smile*
>
> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail for
>> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist, it is
>> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that gender
> or
>> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or do
>> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these
> things
>> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully
> submit
>> for consideration is this:
>> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't feel
> like
>> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the
> perceptions
>> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the time.
>> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it is a
>> birth right/responsibility to educate?
>> Best,
>> Darian
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or will
>>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays, doesn't
>>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
>> thought.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>>> successful that their male or white peers?
>>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>>> their intelligence?
>>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention to
>>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do. I
>>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a minority,
>>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at me,
>>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at me.
>>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>>> gone.
>>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>>> because I want to.
>>> So, to bring it back to
>>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>>> person is subjective.
>>>
>>> respectfully,
>>> Darian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about the
>>>>> responsibility to
>>>> those
>>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>>> AC
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Mailing
>>>> List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>>> begin?
>>>>> Darian
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a blind
>>> person
>>>>> as
>>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>>> some
>>>>> other
>>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the person
>>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request has
>>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to reinforce
>>> those
>>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On the
>>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>>> thoughtful, and
>>> is
>>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>>> of
>>>>> people,
>>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>>> bringing
>>>> it
>>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that some
>>>>> amungst
>>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study hot
> bed.
>>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>>> communication
>>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been approached
>>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really think
>>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>>> they seem to have
>>>> a
>>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to write
>>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is to
>>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its like
>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is a
>>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my opinion,
>> are helping us.
>>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little frustrated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>
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