[Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
Darian Smith
dsmithnfb at gmail.com
Mon Oct 4 16:40:16 UTC 2010
I think that it varies from list to list what you find the responce
to be. I once posted to the national student list and found the
list to be not very supportive and even a little hostile. Some
years later I re-subscribed to the list and found it to be more
open-m minded and supportive.
If you have found this topic to be a topic that is uncomfortable
then I'll directly appoligize as it was I who mis-directed it in the
first place.
I would, however highly encourage you to share questions, thoughts
and stories that you think would be of benifitor are just thinking
about, as this is a low-traffic list and we always enjoy a good
topic thread!
Best,
Darian
On 10/4/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Diane,
>
> I am sorry that your list serve expirience has not beena positive one!
> It is not always the case that one's expirience always has to be
> one not so supportitive.
>
>
> On 10/4/10, Diane Vlasoff <vlasoff at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>> Hi Aziza,
>>
>> Many of us who have commented on nfb list serves in the past have found
>> that
>> our responses are denied for no apparent reason. I once commented on
>> something and had it rejected. I didn't know why. My request for
>> clarification was ignored, and so I for one only keep these list serves
>> for
>> general information.
>>
>> Sorry for this unfortunate response.
>>
>> Diane Vlasoff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Aziza C
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> It's the Darian Angela and Aziza show, with our special guest Mike!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 9:16 PM
>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>
>> I want to say so, but I'm really torn there- especially having been
>> a "victum" of both miss-treatments of society.
>> ....
>> Gosh we need more people to comment on this list serve!!!
>> *smile*
>>
>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think its fundamentally the same thing though, just in more detail for
>>> blind people... *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Angela Fowler
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:38 PM
>>> To: 'California Association of Blind Students Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> There is a crucial difference here. While foolish stereotypes exist, it
>>> is
>>> not perceived by many thinking people, or I have not seen it, that
>>> gender
>> or
>>> skin color effects one's ability to cross a street, cook a meal, or do
>>> countless other simple tasks. The ability of blind people to do these
>> things
>>> is questioned daily. Therein lies our need to educate.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:28 PM
>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>
>>> You will not get an arguement from me there. But what i respectfully
>> submit
>>> for consideration is this:
>>> People of different skin colors/ethnic backgrounds likely don't feel
>> like
>>> they must educate, that it is their responsibility to change the
>> perceptions
>>> of the community around them all by themselves and or all of the time.
>>> Is this the expectation that any blind person must have? that it is a
>>> birth right/responsibility to educate?
>>> Best,
>>> Darian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Women and people of various skin colors and backgrounds may not have
>>>> to assert themselves now, however they did. Every minority has or will
>>>> go through its own revolution. And, some would argue that women, and
>>>> people of various races still do have to assert themselves. I would
>>>> certainly say that as a female and a Hispanic one at that I must
>>>> assert myself and prove myself to others. Just because women are mor
>>>> accepted in everyday society as contributing members nowadays, doesn't
>>>> mean the fight is over, and this can be said for all groups. Just a
>>> thought.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:54 PM
>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>
>>>> I did say that I was shifting things.
>>>> Does a woman, a Latino/ african- american
>>>> have to explain that they have just the same likelyhood to be
>>>> successful that their male or white peers?
>>>> that their skin color, or the way they speak does not determine
>>>> their intelligence?
>>>> does stopping to explain ourselves in fact add more attention to
>>>> ourselves? I think there is something to the idea that we have a
>>>> responsibility to educate, but I am not going to go around
>>>> expecting the next blind person to do what I may be willing to do. I
>>>> think it's important to realize an important fact: we are a minority,
>>>> and speaking as a minority, I understand the ways people look at me,
>>>> but I am not going to always look to change how a person looks at me.
>>>> If I do try to change everyone, or even a majority of people's
>>>> views about that minority group that I belong to, I'm probably not
>>>> taking the time to enjoy life and I'm possibly thinking too much of
>>>> myself as some sort of champion of a cause that has long been in
>>>> affect before I am born and probably will be around long after I'm
>>>> gone.
>>>> personally, do I educate? yes, I do. But, I don't go out of my way
>>>> to do it when I'm not having the paitionce to do it. and I do it
>>>> because I want to.
>>>> So, to bring it back to
>>>> Aziza post 1: If in my judgement
>>>> it's worth my time to do it, then I'll do it. What that means to a
>>>> person is subjective.
>>>>
>>>> respectfully,
>>>> Darian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Darian is a silent commentator? *looks disbelieving* lol
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:16 PM
>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Judgement defines intent. You can tell a lot about someone on how
>>>>>> they approach you. I think. If someone is truly interested in
>>>>>> blindness it is noticeable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it isn't our responsibility to educate, who's is it? It may not
>>>>>> be by default ours, but we have taken it on for the entire blind
>>>>>> community, and tend to pass it on with what we've learned about the
>>>>>> responsibility to
>>>>> those
>>>>>> blind people we meet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really sure how to respond to the third.
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 5:53 PM
>>>>>> To: fowlers at syix.com; California Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Mailing
>>>>> List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> slightly shifting the topic:
>>>>>> I pose these questions for consideration to the list.
>>>>>> 1. how can we realisticly judge intent?
>>>>>> 2. what"makes it" our "responsibility" to educate?
>>>>>> 3. when does education end and living our lives as the fully
>>>>>> functioning, desire-having, dream-seeking human beings that we are
>>>>>> begin?
>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Angela Fowler <fowlers at syix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Aziza brings up a question which I've been wrestling with off and
>>>>>>> on for almost a year.
>>>>>>> At times I receive emails from people wanting to interview a blind
>>>> person
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> part of some project they are doing, or seeking information about
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> aspect of life as a blind person. I rarely respond to such a
>>>>>>> request, as much as anything because I can't verify that the person
>>>>>>> making it is legitimate.
>>>>>>> The dilemma however, is this. If the person making the request has
>>>>>>> preconceived notions about blind people, and is trying to reinforce
>>>> those
>>>>>>> notions, nothing we say or do is likely to have any effect. On the
>>>>>>> other hand, if the person making the request is open-minded,
>>>>>>> thoughtful, and
>>>> is
>>>>>>> undertaking a project which is going to be seen by a wide variety
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> people,
>>>>>>> we have a good opportunity to educate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:cabs-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>>>> To: California Association of Blind Students Mailing List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs-talk] studying "the blind,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aziza,
>>>>>>> this is a very interesting topic, and I want to thank you for
>>>>>>> bringing
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> up. I, like alot of us on this list are subscribed to alot of
>>>>>>> blindness-related list serves and I find it interesting that some
>>>>>> amungst
>>>>>>> the sighted public turn to the blind as a sort of case study hot
>> bed.
>>>>>>> This said, it is difficult to say what is the case with the
>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>> you recieved, because only you have the ability to make
>>>>>>> the determination with regards to what you have been approached
>>>>>>> with. I guess it is really a judgement call. If you really think
>>>>>>> that someone is taking interest in blindness just as a case
>>>>>>> study, you obviously don't need to assist them, nor do you if
>>>>>>> they seem to have
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> good cause behind their wishing to survay-interview you.
>>>>>>> Basically, it's a subjective thing as I personally see it.
>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/3/10, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I may be completely off based, but I will let you decide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got a message on facebook from an individual who wants to write
>>>>>>>> a paper on a blind person. Personally this infuriates me. It
>>>>>>>> frustrates me that the only reason someone would contact me is to
>>>>>>>> try and make their misconceptions fit into my life so they can
>>>>>>>> write their paper and pretend they actually understand what its
>>>>>>>> like
>>> to be blind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now don't get me wrong, I love to inform and teach, but there is a
>>>>>>>> difference in sitting down and discussing blindness as a whole
>>>>>>>> with someone pursuing an education in disability services, or
>>>>>>>> allowing someone to document what kind of lives we lead, or even
>>>>>>>> working with children who want to learn how to develop something
>>>>>>>> to help the blind community. These kinds of efforts, in my opinion,
>>> are helping us.
>>>>>>>> However, when someone contacts me, as if I am a rare case study
>>>>>>>> they must speak with because I am blind, I get a little frustrated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where does general affective curiosity cross the line into rude
>>>>>>>> invasion of our blindness? How do we decide who to help with
>>>>>>>> projects like these, and who is not really interested in
>>>>>>>> blindness, but just wants a good topic to bluff his/her way
>>>>>>>> through with preconceived false
>>>>>>> notions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aziza
>>>>>>>>
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