[Cabs] Report From Conference Call
Diane
dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
Tue Dec 15 13:40:13 UTC 2009
Nimer,
Please take a moment to address my math skills with me.
$1030.87 - 600.00 = $430.87, correct?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
> All right, let's start off point by point. Please look at your original
> message for my comments.
>
> Thanks
> Nimer J
>
> Nimer M. Jaber
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> Diane wrote:
>> Mr. Nimer,
>> Number one, I do not have your $5 dues making you a paid member of CABS
>> for the 2009-2010 year.
> NJ: You do not have this because of some unfortunate events, I was unable
> to attend the state convention, as you no doubt already know.
>> Number two, where on earth is my math error? I know it often takes more
>> than one person to look over something and find possible errors, but I
>> have no idea where you think I should start.
> I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I simply believe that in order
> to be treasurer of CABS, some math skills ought to be had. Likewise, to be
> a secretary, you should be able to take understandable and clear notes.
> And to be president, I would hope that that person would have some sort of
> leadership experience.
>> Number three, you owe everyone an apology for your outburst. No one
>> needs to be attacked or made to feel they are incompetent. Everyone
>> deserves a chance!
>> No one is perfect except for God, and we should all be allowed to
>> continue to do the very best we can each day without the fear of
>> ridicule.
> Amen!! I was not attacking anyone, or making anyone feel ridiculed. If
> anyone has any issues, please email me privately off list so as not to
> clutter this list. I am willing to make a public apology to anyone who
> felt ridiculed. I was simply saying this: I believe that the constitution
> has issues. Members who can not for whatever reason fulfill the
> requirements of the position that they are running for ought not to be
> elected. The only way to judge whether or not someone is competent or
> capable enough to complete his/her tasks is by providing some sort of test
> or qualifier that must be attained to before this person is eligible to be
> in that office. For example, in order to run for US presidency, you must
> meet an age requirement, a citizen requirement, and a residency
> requirement. Same with congress members.
>> In your lifetime, you will probably encounter a million different people.
>> You won't like some of them, but you can not lash out at people and
>> intentionally hurt them.
> This has nothing to do with whether or not I like anyone. I have no issues
> with anyone on this list. If I have issues with a particular individual,
> that is between me and that individual. I would never put down that
> individual publicly on this list. I was addressing concerns I had, and was
> hoping to have a civilized discussion about it, not be attacked, told that
> the status quo is acceptable, and told I had to apologize.
>> You have no say in if our constitution is satisfactory or not. There are
>> many great leaders in our organization who have put an incredible amount
>> of pork into seeing that our constitution is just and fair.
> I am sure that the leaders who put in tireless work and effort to form the
> constitution indeed did a great job in forming it. I am simply asking for
> opinions/discussions on amendments that I believe ought to be made in
> order to improve the running of CABS. And if I am a Colorado Student, I am
> pretty sure I indeed do have a right to express my opinions on issues that
> involve me. I do not have to be a paying member to express my opinions and
> assist with changes. I do if I wish to vote, and I will be. I believe that
> as a board member, it ought to be your responsibility to learn who is
> permitted to express opinions, and who isn't. Furthermore, if my opinion
> isn't welcome, then I am puzzled why I was permitted on this mailing list
> to begin with. There was no form of verification when I signed up to this
> list that asked whether or not I was a paying member of CABS.
>> KI hope this is the last comment written on this subject. At least for
>> today.
>> Please send your $5 to:
>> 1455 44th Avenue Place
>> Greeley, CO. 80634
>> Please remember the reason for the season!
>> Diane
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've read over the constitution, and still find this to be
>>> unsatisfactory. I understand the roles of each elected position. I
>>> understand that Abel was elected fairly. What I don't understand is this
>>> for your : Is there any test that one must take to be able to, for
>>> instance, handle the CABS fund? Is there anything someone must do to
>>> become secretary? If not, then yes, something like a month's application
>>> ought to be submitted to the board. This application ought to include
>>> some basic questions. What is 1+2? How do you spell committee? That type
>>> of thing. This ensures that those who are elected are fully competent
>>> and able to complete the job that they have been assigned or elected to
>>> do. Again, I am not asking for a recall of elections. I am not wishing
>>> to dispute the results of this year's elections. I am simply asking
>>> whether or not there are any sorts of tests that one must take to ensure
>>> that he/she is competent enough to complete their duties as officer on
>>> the CABS board. If they are not in place, I am suggesting that they
>>> should be put in place, and I am willing to draft a proposal and submit
>>> it to whoever for discussion and adoption by the board, or whoever needs
>>> to adopt it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Nimer J
>>>
>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>
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>>> Marty Rahn wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Nimer, Thank you for bringing up these concerns. I did receive the
>>>> message which you sent, and would like to address the question which
>>>> you pose about the requirements that one must fulfil in order to serve
>>>> on the board. According to Article V, of the Constitution of our
>>>> devision, entitled, "officers and Their Duties," it states the
>>>> following:
>>>> "Section One: Officers
>>>> There shall be elected at the regular annual business meeting a
>>>> President Vice President Second Vice President a Secretary and a
>>>> Treasurer The terms of their offices shall begin at the close of the
>>>> annual business meeting at which they are elected and qualified
>>>> Officers shall be elected by a majority vote of all members present and
>>>> voting There shall be no proxy voting if no nominee receives a majority
>>>> vote on the first ballot the name of the person receiving the least
>>>> votes will be removed from the list of nominees and a second ballot
>>>> recorded This procedure shall continue until one candidate receives a
>>>> simple majority of the votes The holders of the offices of President,
>>>> Vice President, and Second Vice President must be students who are
>>>> blind and planning to attend an educational program in the academic
>>>> year following the election All other officers may be blind or sighted
>>>> students and must be planning to attend an educational program in the
>>>> academic year following the election
>>>>
>>>> Section Two: Duties
>>>>
>>>> The duties of each officer shall be those ordinarily associated with
>>>> that office."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have also atached the Constitution in its Entirety to this message
>>>> should anyone else care to take a look at the document that governs our
>>>> devision. In short, Abel was fairly elected by the paying membership of
>>>> this devision to the position of Secretary, and there is nothing in our
>>>> Constitution which allows me to replace him or any other officer who
>>>> has been elected by those who have paid their dues. I have read
>>>> through our Constitution twice now, and this is one of sevral reasons
>>>> why I have not yet answered the message you sent me inquiring about the
>>>> position of Secretary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In your reply to one of Melissa's messages, you state that you believe
>>>> there needs to be safeguards in place to ensure that everyone elected
>>>> to the CABS board meets the requirements set forth in the Constitution.
>>>> Have you given any thought to what these safeguards might entail?
>>>> Should we ask for some type of varification about a candidates visual
>>>> impairment and their school status to be submitted to the board before
>>>> we proceed with elections? Should this information be sent idealy a
>>>> month or so ahead of time so that elections can take place unimpeeded?
>>>> The long and short of this uniquely human problem is that there are
>>>> numerous people, including myself, who have
>>>> responsibilities,priorities, and lives outside of their duties to the
>>>> devision. No one person can be everywhere at once, nore is it my
>>>> responsibility to personally handhold and babysit everyone to make sure
>>>> that everything gets done. We are all adults, and should at least be
>>>> able to prioritize our responsibilities on their level of importants.
>>>> With that said, we all have different views about the level of
>>>> importance assigned to each task in our lives. Just like with
>>>> committees established by the state Board of Directors, committees must
>>>> meet and commence with their tasks at a time that is mutually
>>>> benificial for all members. This means that committee chairs must take
>>>> responsibility to answer emails or phone calls from members. While I
>>>> realize that the information about committee appointments was
>>>> apparently not received by everyone, it has now been sent out, and
>>>> there should be no question about whom one is to contact in order to
>>>> serve on a committee, or to ask a question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We can not go back and undo what has already been done, but we can move
>>>> forward and try to make things better. Ideally, every organization
>>>> strives for transparency, and CABS should be no different. However, in
>>>> order to achieve this, we must all work together. I can not address
>>>> problems until I am made aware of them, so let's keep diologuing in
>>>> hopes of reaching a satisfactory level of transparency.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Marty Rahn,
>>>>
>>>> president, Colorado Association of Blind Students
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt many would disagree with my opinion, and some may believe
>>>>> that I am being too harsh. However, if a secretary can't form notes
>>>>> that are spelled correctly, have proper grammar, and takes half of the
>>>>> conference call to discuss notes which are still messed up, then I
>>>>> don't put much faith in the secretary elected to represent the
>>>>> Colorado Students. Are there no requirements other than being a
>>>>> student to fulfill the role of secretary, or any position for that
>>>>> matter? I should hope that my treasurer can count and keep track of
>>>>> funds, my secretary can take notes that, while brief, are
>>>>> understandable, and my president can return emails when I send them
>>>>> out. So far, I have emailed a request to the president regarding the
>>>>> requirements for board positions. I want to know what is required to
>>>>> be a secretary or a treasurer of CABS. Also, if there was any effort
>>>>> whatsoever put into the website, this process would be transparent and
>>>>> no questions would need to be asked. Now, maybe some will see this
>>>>> email as some guy writing an email to ramble about things, however, I
>>>>> wave offered to work on the site, I have offered to help out with many
>>>>> other things, in fact. Many of these such things keep on getting
>>>>> delayed. For example, while I brought issues about the website up two
>>>>> months ago, I was told at the last meeting that a meeting of the tech
>>>>> committee wouldn't take place until next month. I was also told over a
>>>>> week ago at the last conference call that a list of committee members
>>>>> (a full list) would be sent out to this list, and unless something is
>>>>> going on with my email, I have not received such a list.
>>>>>
>>>>> My hope with taking up bandwidth in posting this message is to see
>>>>> change, and I hope that our leadership will rise up and answer the
>>>>> call with transparency. If guidelines are not set, I hope they _will
>>>>> _be set. Abel, this message was in no way intended to hurt your
>>>>> feelings, and I am sure that there are many other positions that you
>>>>> would be better suited to on the CABS board. However, the secretary
>>>>> ought to be able to speak clearly, read and write minutes, and post
>>>>> them to a forum such as this list in a timely manner hopefully to be
>>>>> determined by CABS. I know we are all busy, but this shouldn't be an
>>>>> excuse for a lack of transparency. Also, if anyone got their feelings
>>>>> hurt and wishes to discuss it with me, please email me privately at
>>>>> nimerjaber1 at gmail.com and I will do my best to alleviate your
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your time in reading this message, and I look forward to
>>>>> any responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>
>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Abel Ayalew wrote:
>>>>>> December 6, 2009was our first Conference call After the convention.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> meeting started at 6.45 P.M. Marty, Mellisa, Maurice, Nimer, Esha,
>>>>>> Becky,
>>>>>> Arille, and Abel were present at the meeting. Treasury report $430.87
>>>>>> balance of available. People are assigned committee. Every one
>>>>>> selling candy
>>>>>> in there campus. The next Conference Call will be in January 17, 2010
>>>>>> at 7
>>>>>> P.M. January 21, 2010 will be a trip to the Colorado school for the
>>>>>> blind to
>>>>>> talk to the student. The meeting adjourn at 8 P.M.
>>>>>>
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