[Cabs] Report From Conference Call

Tue Dec 15 16:07:02 UTC 2009

Hi Diane and all,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Nimer was using the math skills
merely as an example of what's needed to do the  job. I don't think he
was implying that Diane in particular had poor  math skills, but just
that treasurers in general should have that as a prerequisite. Right?

Arielle

On 12/16/09, Diane <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Nimer,
> Please take a moment to address my math skills with me.
> $1030.87 - 600.00 = $430.87, correct?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>
>
>>  All right, let's start off point by point. Please look at your original
>> message for my comments.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nimer J
>>
>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>
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>>
>> Diane wrote:
>>> Mr. Nimer,
>>> Number one, I do not have your $5 dues making you a paid member of CABS
>>> for the 2009-2010 year.
>> NJ: You do not have this because of some unfortunate events, I was unable
>> to attend the state convention, as you no doubt already know.
>>> Number two, where on earth is my math error?  I know it often takes more
>>> than  one person to look over something and find possible errors, but I
>>> have no idea where you think I should start.
>> I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I simply believe that in order
>> to be treasurer of CABS, some math skills ought to be had. Likewise, to be
>>
>> a secretary, you should be able to take understandable and clear notes.
>> And to be president, I would hope that that person would have some sort of
>>
>> leadership experience.
>>> Number three, you owe everyone an apology for your outburst.  No one
>>> needs to be attacked or made to feel they are incompetent.  Everyone
>>> deserves a chance!
>>> No one is perfect except for God, and we should all be allowed to
>>> continue to do the  very best we can each day without the fear of
>>> ridicule.
>> Amen!! I was not attacking anyone, or making anyone feel ridiculed. If
>> anyone has any issues, please email me privately off list so as not to
>> clutter this list. I am willing to make a public apology to anyone who
>> felt ridiculed. I was simply saying this: I believe that the constitution
>> has issues. Members who can not for whatever reason fulfill the
>> requirements of the position that they are running for ought not to be
>> elected. The only way to judge whether or not someone is competent or
>> capable enough to complete his/her tasks is by providing some sort of test
>>
>> or qualifier that must be attained to before this person is eligible to be
>>
>> in that office. For example, in order to run for US presidency, you must
>> meet an age requirement, a citizen requirement, and a residency
>> requirement. Same with congress members.
>>> In your lifetime, you will probably encounter a million different people.
>>>
>>> You won't like some of them, but you can not lash out at people and
>>> intentionally hurt them.
>> This has nothing to do with whether or not I like anyone. I have no issues
>>
>> with anyone on this list. If I have issues with a particular individual,
>> that is between me and that individual. I would never put down that
>> individual publicly on this list. I was addressing concerns I had, and was
>>
>> hoping to have a civilized discussion about it, not be attacked, told that
>>
>> the status quo is acceptable, and told I had to apologize.
>>> You have no say in if our constitution is satisfactory or not.  There are
>>>
>>> many great leaders in our organization who have put an incredible amount
>>> of pork into seeing that our constitution is just and fair.
>> I am sure that the leaders who put in tireless work and effort to form the
>>
>> constitution indeed did a great job in forming it. I am simply asking for
>> opinions/discussions on amendments that I believe ought to be made in
>> order to improve the running of CABS. And if I am a Colorado Student, I am
>>
>> pretty sure I indeed do have a right to express my opinions on issues that
>>
>> involve me. I do not have to be a paying member to express my opinions and
>>
>> assist with changes. I do if I wish to vote, and I will be. I believe that
>>
>> as a board member, it ought to be your responsibility to learn who is
>> permitted to express opinions, and who isn't. Furthermore, if my opinion
>> isn't welcome, then I am puzzled why I was permitted on this mailing list
>> to begin with. There was no form of verification when I signed up to this
>> list that asked whether or not I was a paying member of CABS.
>>> KI hope this is the last comment written on this subject.  At least for
>>> today.
>>> Please send your $5 to:
>>> 1455 44th Avenue Place
>>> Greeley, CO.  80634
>>> Please remember the reason for the season!
>>> Diane
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>
>>>
>>>>  Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I've read over the constitution, and still find this to be
>>>> unsatisfactory. I understand the roles of each elected position. I
>>>> understand that Abel was elected fairly. What I don't understand is this
>>>>
>>>> for your : Is there any test that one must take to be able to, for
>>>> instance, handle the CABS fund? Is there anything someone must do to
>>>> become secretary? If not, then yes, something like a month's application
>>>>
>>>> ought to be submitted to the board. This application ought to include
>>>> some basic questions. What is 1+2? How do you spell committee? That type
>>>>
>>>> of thing. This ensures that those who are elected are fully competent
>>>> and able to complete the job that they have been assigned or elected to
>>>> do. Again, I am not asking for a recall of elections. I am not wishing
>>>> to dispute the results of this year's elections. I am simply asking
>>>> whether or not there are any sorts of tests that one must take to ensure
>>>>
>>>> that he/she is competent enough to complete their duties as officer on
>>>> the CABS board. If they are not in place, I am suggesting that they
>>>> should be put in place, and I am willing to draft a proposal and submit
>>>> it to whoever for discussion and adoption by the board, or whoever needs
>>>>
>>>> to adopt it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Nimer J
>>>>
>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marty Rahn wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Nimer, Thank you for bringing up these concerns.  I did receive the
>>>>> message which you sent, and would like to address the question which
>>>>> you pose about the requirements that one must fulfil in order to serve
>>>>> on the board. According to Article V, of the Constitution of our
>>>>> devision, entitled, "officers and Their Duties," it states the
>>>>> following:
>>>>> "Section One: Officers
>>>>> There shall be elected at the regular annual business meeting a
>>>>> President Vice President Second Vice President a Secretary and a
>>>>> Treasurer The terms of their offices shall begin at the close of the
>>>>> annual business meeting at which they are elected and qualified
>>>>> Officers shall be elected by a majority vote of all members present and
>>>>>
>>>>> voting There shall be no proxy voting if no nominee receives a majority
>>>>>
>>>>> vote on the first ballot the name of the person receiving the least
>>>>> votes will be removed from the list of nominees and a second ballot
>>>>> recorded This procedure shall continue until one candidate receives a
>>>>> simple majority of the votes The holders of the offices of President,
>>>>> Vice President, and Second Vice President must be students who are
>>>>> blind and planning to attend an educational program in the academic
>>>>> year following the election  All other officers may be blind or sighted
>>>>>
>>>>> students and must be planning to attend an educational program in the
>>>>> academic year following the election
>>>>>
>>>>> Section Two: Duties
>>>>>
>>>>> The duties of each officer shall be those ordinarily associated with
>>>>> that office."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also atached the Constitution in its Entirety to this message
>>>>> should anyone else care to take a look at the document that governs our
>>>>>
>>>>> devision. In short, Abel was fairly elected by the paying membership of
>>>>>
>>>>> this devision to the position of Secretary, and there is nothing in our
>>>>>
>>>>> Constitution which allows me to replace him or any other officer who
>>>>> has been elected by those who have paid their dues.  I have read
>>>>> through our Constitution twice now, and this is one of sevral reasons
>>>>> why I have not yet answered the message you sent me inquiring about the
>>>>>
>>>>> position of Secretary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In your reply to one of Melissa's messages, you state that you believe
>>>>> there needs to be safeguards in place to ensure that everyone elected
>>>>> to the CABS board meets the requirements set forth in the Constitution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you given any thought to what these safeguards might entail?
>>>>> Should we ask for some type of varification about a candidates visual
>>>>> impairment and their school status to be submitted to the board before
>>>>> we proceed with elections? Should this information be sent idealy a
>>>>> month or so ahead of time so that elections can take place unimpeeded?
>>>>> The long and short of this uniquely human problem is that there are
>>>>> numerous people, including myself, who have
>>>>> responsibilities,priorities, and lives outside of their duties to the
>>>>> devision.  No one person can be everywhere at once, nore is it my
>>>>> responsibility to personally handhold and babysit everyone to make sure
>>>>>
>>>>> that everything gets done.  We are all adults, and should at least be
>>>>> able to prioritize our responsibilities on their level of importants.
>>>>> With that said, we all have different views about the level of
>>>>> importance assigned to each task in our lives.  Just like with
>>>>> committees established by the state Board of Directors, committees must
>>>>>
>>>>> meet and commence with their tasks at a time that is mutually
>>>>> benificial for all members.  This means that committee chairs must take
>>>>>
>>>>> responsibility to answer emails or phone calls from members.  While I
>>>>> realize that the information about committee appointments was
>>>>> apparently not received by everyone, it has now been sent out, and
>>>>> there should be no question about whom one is to contact in order to
>>>>> serve on a committee, or to ask a question.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We can not go back and undo what has already been done, but we can move
>>>>>
>>>>> forward and try to make things better.  Ideally, every organization
>>>>> strives for transparency, and CABS should be no different.  However, in
>>>>>
>>>>> order to achieve this, we must all work together.  I can not address
>>>>> problems until I am made aware of them, so let's keep diologuing in
>>>>> hopes of reaching a satisfactory level of transparency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Marty Rahn,
>>>>>
>>>>> president, Colorado Association of Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:52 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt many would disagree with my opinion, and some may believe
>>>>>> that I am being too harsh. However, if a secretary can't form notes
>>>>>> that are spelled correctly, have proper grammar, and takes half of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> conference call to discuss notes which are still messed up, then I
>>>>>> don't put much faith in the secretary elected to represent the
>>>>>> Colorado Students. Are there no requirements other than being a
>>>>>> student to fulfill the role of secretary, or any position for that
>>>>>> matter? I should hope that my treasurer can count and keep track of
>>>>>> funds, my secretary  can take notes that, while brief, are
>>>>>> understandable, and my president can return emails when I send them
>>>>>> out. So far, I have emailed a request to the president regarding the
>>>>>> requirements for board positions. I want to know what is required to
>>>>>> be a secretary or a treasurer of CABS. Also, if there was any effort
>>>>>> whatsoever put into the website, this process would be transparent and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no questions would need to be asked. Now, maybe some will see this
>>>>>> email as some guy writing an email to ramble about things, however, I
>>>>>> wave offered to work on the site, I have offered to help out with many
>>>>>>
>>>>>> other things, in fact. Many of these such things keep on getting
>>>>>> delayed. For example, while I brought issues about the website up two
>>>>>> months ago, I was told at the last meeting that a meeting of the tech
>>>>>> committee wouldn't take place until next month. I was also told over a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> week ago at the last conference call that a list of committee members
>>>>>> (a full list) would be sent out to this list, and unless something is
>>>>>> going on with my email, I have not received such a list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My hope with taking up bandwidth in posting this message is to see
>>>>>> change, and I hope that our leadership will rise up and answer the
>>>>>> call with transparency. If guidelines are not set, I hope they _will
>>>>>> _be set. Abel, this message was in no way intended to hurt your
>>>>>> feelings, and I am sure that there are many other positions that you
>>>>>> would be better suited to on the CABS board. However, the secretary
>>>>>> ought to be able to speak clearly, read and write minutes, and post
>>>>>> them to a forum such as this list in a timely manner hopefully to be
>>>>>> determined by CABS. I know we are all busy, but this shouldn't be an
>>>>>> excuse for a lack of transparency. Also, if anyone got their feelings
>>>>>> hurt and wishes to discuss it with me, please email me privately at
>>>>>> nimerjaber1 at gmail.com and I will do my best to alleviate your
>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your time in reading this message, and I look forward to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity
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>>>>>> retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in reliance
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>>>>>> recipient is
>>>>>> prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender
>>>>>> via reply e-mail, and delete the
>>>>>> material from any computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>> (720) (251-4530)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abel Ayalew wrote:
>>>>>>> December 6, 2009was our first Conference call After the convention.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> meeting started at 6.45 P.M. Marty, Mellisa, Maurice, Nimer, Esha,
>>>>>>> Becky,
>>>>>>> Arille, and Abel were present at the meeting. Treasury report $430.87
>>>>>>> balance of available. People are assigned committee. Every one
>>>>>>> selling candy
>>>>>>> in there campus. The next Conference Call will be in January 17, 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at 7
>>>>>>> P.M. January 21, 2010 will be a trip to the Colorado school for the
>>>>>>> blind to
>>>>>>> talk to the student. The meeting adjourn at 8 P.M.
>>>>>>>
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