[Cabs] Report From Conference Call

Marty Rahn marty.rahn at juno.com
Wed Dec 16 03:57:07 CST 2009


Yes.  That was the way I understood it.  He wasn't singling any one person 
out, but merely giving examples of the prerequisites required for a person 
to fill a position.
Marty Rahn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call


> Hi Diane and all,
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Nimer was using the math skills
> merely as an example of what's needed to do the  job. I don't think he
> was implying that Diane in particular had poor  math skills, but just
> that treasurers in general should have that as a prerequisite. Right?
>
> Arielle
>
> On 12/16/09, Diane <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Nimer,
>> Please take a moment to address my math skills with me.
>> $1030.87 - 600.00 = $430.87, correct?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>
>>
>>>  All right, let's start off point by point. Please look at your original
>>> message for my comments.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Nimer J
>>>
>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>
>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
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>>> Phone:
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>>>
>>>
>>> Diane wrote:
>>>> Mr. Nimer,
>>>> Number one, I do not have your $5 dues making you a paid member of CABS
>>>> for the 2009-2010 year.
>>> NJ: You do not have this because of some unfortunate events, I was 
>>> unable
>>> to attend the state convention, as you no doubt already know.
>>>> Number two, where on earth is my math error?  I know it often takes 
>>>> more
>>>> than  one person to look over something and find possible errors, but I
>>>> have no idea where you think I should start.
>>> I was not criticizing you or anyone else. I simply believe that in order
>>> to be treasurer of CABS, some math skills ought to be had. Likewise, to 
>>> be
>>>
>>> a secretary, you should be able to take understandable and clear notes.
>>> And to be president, I would hope that that person would have some sort 
>>> of
>>>
>>> leadership experience.
>>>> Number three, you owe everyone an apology for your outburst.  No one
>>>> needs to be attacked or made to feel they are incompetent.  Everyone
>>>> deserves a chance!
>>>> No one is perfect except for God, and we should all be allowed to
>>>> continue to do the  very best we can each day without the fear of
>>>> ridicule.
>>> Amen!! I was not attacking anyone, or making anyone feel ridiculed. If
>>> anyone has any issues, please email me privately off list so as not to
>>> clutter this list. I am willing to make a public apology to anyone who
>>> felt ridiculed. I was simply saying this: I believe that the 
>>> constitution
>>> has issues. Members who can not for whatever reason fulfill the
>>> requirements of the position that they are running for ought not to be
>>> elected. The only way to judge whether or not someone is competent or
>>> capable enough to complete his/her tasks is by providing some sort of 
>>> test
>>>
>>> or qualifier that must be attained to before this person is eligible to 
>>> be
>>>
>>> in that office. For example, in order to run for US presidency, you must
>>> meet an age requirement, a citizen requirement, and a residency
>>> requirement. Same with congress members.
>>>> In your lifetime, you will probably encounter a million different 
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> You won't like some of them, but you can not lash out at people and
>>>> intentionally hurt them.
>>> This has nothing to do with whether or not I like anyone. I have no 
>>> issues
>>>
>>> with anyone on this list. If I have issues with a particular individual,
>>> that is between me and that individual. I would never put down that
>>> individual publicly on this list. I was addressing concerns I had, and 
>>> was
>>>
>>> hoping to have a civilized discussion about it, not be attacked, told 
>>> that
>>>
>>> the status quo is acceptable, and told I had to apologize.
>>>> You have no say in if our constitution is satisfactory or not.  There 
>>>> are
>>>>
>>>> many great leaders in our organization who have put an incredible 
>>>> amount
>>>> of pork into seeing that our constitution is just and fair.
>>> I am sure that the leaders who put in tireless work and effort to form 
>>> the
>>>
>>> constitution indeed did a great job in forming it. I am simply asking 
>>> for
>>> opinions/discussions on amendments that I believe ought to be made in
>>> order to improve the running of CABS. And if I am a Colorado Student, I 
>>> am
>>>
>>> pretty sure I indeed do have a right to express my opinions on issues 
>>> that
>>>
>>> involve me. I do not have to be a paying member to express my opinions 
>>> and
>>>
>>> assist with changes. I do if I wish to vote, and I will be. I believe 
>>> that
>>>
>>> as a board member, it ought to be your responsibility to learn who is
>>> permitted to express opinions, and who isn't. Furthermore, if my opinion
>>> isn't welcome, then I am puzzled why I was permitted on this mailing 
>>> list
>>> to begin with. There was no form of verification when I signed up to 
>>> this
>>> list that asked whether or not I was a paying member of CABS.
>>>> KI hope this is the last comment written on this subject.  At least for
>>>> today.
>>>> Please send your $5 to:
>>>> 1455 44th Avenue Place
>>>> Greeley, CO.  80634
>>>> Please remember the reason for the season!
>>>> Diane
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber" 
>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 2:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read over the constitution, and still find this to be
>>>>> unsatisfactory. I understand the roles of each elected position. I
>>>>> understand that Abel was elected fairly. What I don't understand is 
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>> for your : Is there any test that one must take to be able to, for
>>>>> instance, handle the CABS fund? Is there anything someone must do to
>>>>> become secretary? If not, then yes, something like a month's 
>>>>> application
>>>>>
>>>>> ought to be submitted to the board. This application ought to include
>>>>> some basic questions. What is 1+2? How do you spell committee? That 
>>>>> type
>>>>>
>>>>> of thing. This ensures that those who are elected are fully competent
>>>>> and able to complete the job that they have been assigned or elected 
>>>>> to
>>>>> do. Again, I am not asking for a recall of elections. I am not wishing
>>>>> to dispute the results of this year's elections. I am simply asking
>>>>> whether or not there are any sorts of tests that one must take to 
>>>>> ensure
>>>>>
>>>>> that he/she is competent enough to complete their duties as officer on
>>>>> the CABS board. If they are not in place, I am suggesting that they
>>>>> should be put in place, and I am willing to draft a proposal and 
>>>>> submit
>>>>> it to whoever for discussion and adoption by the board, or whoever 
>>>>> needs
>>>>>
>>>>> to adopt it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>
>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>
>>>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity 
>>>>> to
>>>>>
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>>>>> is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.
>>>>> Any review,
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>>>>> in reliance
>>>>> upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended
>>>>> recipient is
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>>>>> via
>>>>>
>>>>> reply e-mail, and delete the
>>>>> material from any computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marty Rahn wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Nimer, Thank you for bringing up these concerns.  I did receive the
>>>>>> message which you sent, and would like to address the question which
>>>>>> you pose about the requirements that one must fulfil in order to 
>>>>>> serve
>>>>>> on the board. According to Article V, of the Constitution of our
>>>>>> devision, entitled, "officers and Their Duties," it states the
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>> "Section One: Officers
>>>>>> There shall be elected at the regular annual business meeting a
>>>>>> President Vice President Second Vice President a Secretary and a
>>>>>> Treasurer The terms of their offices shall begin at the close of the
>>>>>> annual business meeting at which they are elected and qualified
>>>>>> Officers shall be elected by a majority vote of all members present 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> voting There shall be no proxy voting if no nominee receives a 
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vote on the first ballot the name of the person receiving the least
>>>>>> votes will be removed from the list of nominees and a second ballot
>>>>>> recorded This procedure shall continue until one candidate receives a
>>>>>> simple majority of the votes The holders of the offices of President,
>>>>>> Vice President, and Second Vice President must be students who are
>>>>>> blind and planning to attend an educational program in the academic
>>>>>> year following the election  All other officers may be blind or 
>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> students and must be planning to attend an educational program in the
>>>>>> academic year following the election
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Section Two: Duties
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The duties of each officer shall be those ordinarily associated with
>>>>>> that office."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also atached the Constitution in its Entirety to this message
>>>>>> should anyone else care to take a look at the document that governs 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>
>>>>>> devision. In short, Abel was fairly elected by the paying membership 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this devision to the position of Secretary, and there is nothing in 
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Constitution which allows me to replace him or any other officer who
>>>>>> has been elected by those who have paid their dues.  I have read
>>>>>> through our Constitution twice now, and this is one of sevral reasons
>>>>>> why I have not yet answered the message you sent me inquiring about 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> position of Secretary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your reply to one of Melissa's messages, you state that you 
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> there needs to be safeguards in place to ensure that everyone elected
>>>>>> to the CABS board meets the requirements set forth in the 
>>>>>> Constitution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you given any thought to what these safeguards might entail?
>>>>>> Should we ask for some type of varification about a candidates visual
>>>>>> impairment and their school status to be submitted to the board 
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> we proceed with elections? Should this information be sent idealy a
>>>>>> month or so ahead of time so that elections can take place 
>>>>>> unimpeeded?
>>>>>> The long and short of this uniquely human problem is that there are
>>>>>> numerous people, including myself, who have
>>>>>> responsibilities,priorities, and lives outside of their duties to the
>>>>>> devision.  No one person can be everywhere at once, nore is it my
>>>>>> responsibility to personally handhold and babysit everyone to make 
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that everything gets done.  We are all adults, and should at least be
>>>>>> able to prioritize our responsibilities on their level of importants.
>>>>>> With that said, we all have different views about the level of
>>>>>> importance assigned to each task in our lives.  Just like with
>>>>>> committees established by the state Board of Directors, committees 
>>>>>> must
>>>>>>
>>>>>> meet and commence with their tasks at a time that is mutually
>>>>>> benificial for all members.  This means that committee chairs must 
>>>>>> take
>>>>>>
>>>>>> responsibility to answer emails or phone calls from members.  While I
>>>>>> realize that the information about committee appointments was
>>>>>> apparently not received by everyone, it has now been sent out, and
>>>>>> there should be no question about whom one is to contact in order to
>>>>>> serve on a committee, or to ask a question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can not go back and undo what has already been done, but we can 
>>>>>> move
>>>>>>
>>>>>> forward and try to make things better.  Ideally, every organization
>>>>>> strives for transparency, and CABS should be no different.  However, 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> order to achieve this, we must all work together.  I can not address
>>>>>> problems until I am made aware of them, so let's keep diologuing in
>>>>>> hopes of reaching a satisfactory level of transparency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marty Rahn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> president, Colorado Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer Jaber"
>>>>>> <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Colorado Association of Blind Students List" <cabs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:52 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cabs] Report From Conference Call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No doubt many would disagree with my opinion, and some may believe
>>>>>>> that I am being too harsh. However, if a secretary can't form notes
>>>>>>> that are spelled correctly, have proper grammar, and takes half of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conference call to discuss notes which are still messed up, then I
>>>>>>> don't put much faith in the secretary elected to represent the
>>>>>>> Colorado Students. Are there no requirements other than being a
>>>>>>> student to fulfill the role of secretary, or any position for that
>>>>>>> matter? I should hope that my treasurer can count and keep track of
>>>>>>> funds, my secretary  can take notes that, while brief, are
>>>>>>> understandable, and my president can return emails when I send them
>>>>>>> out. So far, I have emailed a request to the president regarding the
>>>>>>> requirements for board positions. I want to know what is required to
>>>>>>> be a secretary or a treasurer of CABS. Also, if there was any effort
>>>>>>> whatsoever put into the website, this process would be transparent 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no questions would need to be asked. Now, maybe some will see this
>>>>>>> email as some guy writing an email to ramble about things, however, 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> wave offered to work on the site, I have offered to help out with 
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other things, in fact. Many of these such things keep on getting
>>>>>>> delayed. For example, while I brought issues about the website up 
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> months ago, I was told at the last meeting that a meeting of the 
>>>>>>> tech
>>>>>>> committee wouldn't take place until next month. I was also told over 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> week ago at the last conference call that a list of committee 
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> (a full list) would be sent out to this list, and unless something 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> going on with my email, I have not received such a list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My hope with taking up bandwidth in posting this message is to see
>>>>>>> change, and I hope that our leadership will rise up and answer the
>>>>>>> call with transparency. If guidelines are not set, I hope they _will
>>>>>>> _be set. Abel, this message was in no way intended to hurt your
>>>>>>> feelings, and I am sure that there are many other positions that you
>>>>>>> would be better suited to on the CABS board. However, the secretary
>>>>>>> ought to be able to speak clearly, read and write minutes, and post
>>>>>>> them to a forum such as this list in a timely manner hopefully to be
>>>>>>> determined by CABS. I know we are all busy, but this shouldn't be an
>>>>>>> excuse for a lack of transparency. Also, if anyone got their 
>>>>>>> feelings
>>>>>>> hurt and wishes to discuss it with me, please email me privately at
>>>>>>> nimerjaber1 at gmail.com and I will do my best to alleviate your
>>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your time in reading this message, and I look forward 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any responses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nimer M. Jaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or 
>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>> to which it
>>>>>>> is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged 
>>>>>>> material.
>>>>>>> Any review,
>>>>>>> retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any 
>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in reliance
>>>>>>> upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended
>>>>>>> recipient is
>>>>>>> prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender
>>>>>>> via reply e-mail, and delete the
>>>>>>> material from any computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>>> (720) (251-4530)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abel Ayalew wrote:
>>>>>>>> December 6, 2009was our first Conference call After the convention.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> meeting started at 6.45 P.M. Marty, Mellisa, Maurice, Nimer, Esha,
>>>>>>>> Becky,
>>>>>>>> Arille, and Abel were present at the meeting. Treasury report 
>>>>>>>> $430.87
>>>>>>>> balance of available. People are assigned committee. Every one
>>>>>>>> selling candy
>>>>>>>> in there campus. The next Conference Call will be in January 17, 
>>>>>>>> 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at 7
>>>>>>>> P.M. January 21, 2010 will be a trip to the Colorado school for the
>>>>>>>> blind to
>>>>>>>> talk to the student. The meeting adjourn at 8 P.M.
>>>>>>>>
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