[Colorado-talk] Folska in Post
James Beal
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Mon Oct 26 22:43:35 UTC 2015
It's not as simple as you think, Dan. While you and I have a lot of travel experience, there are many newly blinded folks who don't. I've been on every type of transport except two, a Navy sub and the Space Shuttle. Your experience may be similar. if I had lost my sight later in life, I might not have the confidence I do now in using the various travel options available. I had good instruction n and know there is nothing wrong with asking for help when needed or turning help down when unwanted. Some travelers either don't know what their options are or how to use them. I don't begrudge -blind folks asking for or accepting help if they need it. Beats the heck out of spending your life staying at home. I also realize that when someone offers to help that I need to not be?nasty about saying I don't need it. I figure that maybe I don't need it but there might be someone else who comes later who might and I don't want to discourage those who might be of assistance to avoid or ignore someone with a genuine need for travel assistance. We can rail agaqinst exercises like the ones the Girl Scouts were involved with. A better and more effective way to combat any negative stereotypes we face as blind people is to live our lives as part of the larger sighted world. If we travel independently and are more visible, such exercises as the one described in the article will have much less of an impact.
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James Beal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Burke via Colorado-talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: NFB of Colorado Discussion List <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Dan Burke <burke.dall at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2015 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [Colorado-talk] Folska in Post
It's simple Jim. Such articles teach the sighted that blind people
never progress beyond the point that these Girl Scouts do in the
article. They already believe this ecause they've closed their eyes
and imagined how desperate and helpless they would be, and the article
confirms what they believe. In fact, the media continue to do these
stories because they believe it too.
On 10/6/15, James Beal via Colorado-talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am not a Center gr4ad. however, as I see it based upon my years as a
> teacher of the visually impaired we as instructors or role models have to be
> careful about how much we teach at one time. it is very easy to overload
> someone who has little or no experience with discovery learning . For newly
> blinded people it may take very little exploration before frustration sets
> in. Part of working through this is knowing your student and picking up on
> the clues they give you as to the level of frustration he or she may
> experience. iAt the point of total frustration the student will rebel or
> refuse to move further. The teacher, I n this case, needs to be there to
> provide emotional support or to provide at least a clue about an alternative
> technique that will help him or her work through the frustration. leaving a
> student alone at this point can do much more harm than good. Sometimes all
> that is needed is for the lesson to terminat3e and start again when the
> student has had a little time to think through the problem. Sometimes either
> a clue to help solve the problem or simply allowing the individual to vent
> will reduce the stress and allow clear thought to prevail. This may not have
> happened with the person whose experiences were described in the Post. The
> rest of us can use this as a learning experience using it to make us more
> sensitive to our charges.
> ?
> The comments about this Post article are indicative of people who have been
> around blindness and blind people for a long time. I wonder how the article
> was perceived by the general public and how different it might be from what
> we see as Federationists.
>
> James Beal
> bealcorgi at aol.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Burke via Colorado-talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: NFB of Colorado Discussion List <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Dan Burke <burke.dall at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2015 8:26 am
> Subject: Re: [Colorado-talk] Folska in Post
>
>
>
>
> You nailed the problem Nate - it's not the sleep shades that is the
> problem but the arc of the narrative ... which is not *how* blind
> people can do things, but *how hard* it is for blind people to do
> things. Read, how hard it is, our daily *struggles* living in this
> world. Compare that to "Live the life you want!"
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 10/5/15, Beth Taurasi via Colorado-talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> > Claudia? ... Wait a second, she is a lady I saw at the RTD meeting I
> > once attended on silent light rail crossings. That same one? What is
> > going ... Oh, I have to process this for a while, but I see what's up.
> I
> > would rather my church pastor shadow me like that too, so yeah. My
> > church as well as other places around Colorado ought to know what I can
>
> > do, what I will do, not what I can't or won't. RTD should know that
> > however they implement their policies, they may serve or not serve us
> > better. Holy crap, it's the same Claudia lady I saw at the meeting.
> Holy
> > smokes!
> >
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> only, or
> > if you prefer a more personal touch, and you're Comcast contacting me,
> a
> > technician's note or two. Please email me at thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> for a
> > more personal experience.
> >
> > On 10/5/2015 8:34 AM, Nate Trela via Colorado-talk wrote:
> >> I was trying to explain to someone the other day why I had such a
> >> problem with this when my daughter spent a day under sleepshades
> >> shadowing me when I was a CCB student. And the key is she came out
> of
> >> there with a sense of what I did and how I did it, not this damn
> sense
> >> of pity that Claudia is creating. Maggie cooked, read some Braille
>
> >> played with Voiceover and took a cane lesson. She didn't get led
> >> around by sighted guide and get told how how hard everything was.
> >>
> >> As a journalist, I cringed at both the KUSA and Post pieces. I
> can't
> >> possibly fathom what editor worth their salt can think that
> portrayal
> >> is OK. If I ever leave the business newswire I work for, a big
> reason
> >> would be because we need better perspectives in community
> newsrooms.
> >>
> >> On 10/5/15, Beth Taurasi via Colorado-talk
> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>> I would still advise this Falska lady to resign as her views
> are
> >>> damaging to Denver's large disabled population. RTD should ask
> kindly
> >>> this woman to resign so that we can clean up other aspects of
> the
> >>> business. Not only do we now need to clean up our relationship
> with RTD,
> >>> but we now may need to clean up Rehab as well. We have a lot of
> cleaning
> >>> up to do.
> >>>
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> thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> >>> for a
> >>> more personal experience.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/5/2015 5:47 AM, Gary Van Dorn via Colorado-talk wrote:
> >>>> Ryan,
> >>>>
> >>>> You have a good idea. I am able to tell you from
> experience it will
> >>>> not
> >>>> work. Folska really believes she is doing good. Her
> cognitive
> >>>> dissonance
> >>>> will not allow her to listen. I expressed concerns in the
> past with
> >>>> her
> >>>> privately about the use of sleep shades in this manner.
> >>>>
> >>>> The next Board meeting is 27 October 2015 at 5:30 p.m. One
> may speak
> >>>> three minutes on any topic RTD rated. Federationists
> should have a
> >>>> line
> >>>> to speak from the podium to Blake Street.
> >>>>
> >>>> The meetings are at 1600 Blake Street.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>> On 4 Oct 2015, at 11:24, Ryan O. via Colorado-talk
> >>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's my layman's opinion that we need to get this woman
> back to
> >>>>> convention and actively challenge her on her beliefs.
> If we can't
> >>>>> persuade her, then we need to increase our presence in
> the press as an
> >>>>> alternative view.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RyanO
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Dan Burke via
> Colorado-talk
> >>>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another good deed done?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have to report that I googled Folska. It's
> appalling how much
> >>>>>> press
> >>>>>> she gets in the "expert" role she's placed herself
> in.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of my findings this morning was that
> yesterday's Uniont
> >>>>>> Stationadventure with the Girl Scouts was also
> covered by 9News last
> >>>>>> night.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do not watch this on a full stomach.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://www.9news.com/story/life/2015/10/03/union-station-girl-scouts-tour/73294266/
>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/4/15, melissa R green via Colorado-talk
> >>>>>>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Oh my! SMH!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Warmly,
> >>>>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
> >>>>>>> It is 'where we are' that
> >>>>>>> should make all the
> >>>>>>> difference, whether we believe
> >>>>>>> we belong there or not.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: Colorado-talk
> >>>>>>> [mailto:colorado-talk-bounces@
> >>>>>>> nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan
> >>>>>>> Burke via Colorado-talk
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015
> >>>>>>> 10:16 AM
> >>>>>>> To: NFB of Colorado Discussion
> >>>>>>> List
> >>>>>>> Cc: Dan Burke
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Colorado-talk]
> >>>>>>> Folska in Post
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm pasting below a portion of
> >>>>>>> an article on a girl scout
> >>>>>>> outing at
> >>>>>>> Union Station yesterday, and a
> >>>>>>> general public activity there
> >>>>>>> of some
> >>>>>>> kind. The article is kind of
> >>>>>>> out of focus, but this section
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> clearly in focus. Every time
> >>>>>>> I read of one of these
> >>>>>>> activities by the
> >>>>>>> RTD board member, I feel sick
> >>>>>>> to my stomach - literally.
> >>>>>>> The message
> >>>>>>> of the Post article on this
> >>>>>>> item anyway is very clear - it
> >>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>> scary to be blind and blind
> >>>>>>> people have to learn to be
> >>>>>>> dependent.
> >>>>>>> Folska's purpose, as quoted by
> >>>>>>> the Post is to show what blind
> >>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>> have to "go through" every
> >>>>>>> day. She is doing much damage
> >>>>>>> to blind
> >>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here's the portion of the
> >>>>>>> article:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A gaggle of Girl Scouts from
> >>>>>>> the metro area made a pit stop
> >>>>>>> at Union
> >>>>>>> Station during a morning
> >>>>>>> lesson from Colorado women
> >>>>>>> transportation
> >>>>>>> engineers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "We are teaching young ladies
> >>>>>>> about transportation
> >>>>>>> engineering and
> >>>>>>> introducing them to STEM
> >>>>>>> concepts so they see that this
> >>>>>>> can be a
> >>>>>>> career option for them,"
> >>>>>>> said Cassie Slade, a
> >>>>>>> transportation engineer with
> >>>>>>> Fox Tuttle Hernandez.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Another lesson came when RTD
> >>>>>>> board director Claudia Folska,
> >>>>>>> who is
> >>>>>>> vision-impaired, wanted to
> >>>>>>> show the children the
> >>>>>>> struggles that those
> >>>>>>> who are blind
> >>>>>>> face every day.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Donning blindfolds and nervous
> >>>>>>> grins, the girls were led
> >>>>>>> around the
> >>>>>>> transit station platform by a
> >>>>>>> guide buddy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "It felt kind of weird because
> >>>>>>> I thought I was going to fall
> >>>>>>> over,"
> >>>>>>> said 9-year-old Brynna Hoff of
> >>>>>>> Aurora. "When we went down
> >>>>>>> stairs, it
> >>>>>>> was kind of scary.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sophia Garcia, 9, said she
> >>>>>>> felt like she better
> >>>>>>> understood some of the
> >>>>>>> obstacles those with visual
> >>>>>>> impairments face.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "I learned to do teamwork and
> >>>>>>> that it's fun to help each
> >>>>>>> other out," she said.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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