[Colorado-Talk] Missouri Avenue, Christ revealed

Thu Feb 27 22:29:44 UTC 2020

actually just so you know this guy has been  doing this on the faith
talk group  he is very pushy about it  his belifs and  there has been
problems  he has been on that list before but he gave up when people
were not liking it.

On 2/27/20, Jessica Beecham via Colorado-Talk <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Mustafa Almahdy via Colorado-Talk
>> <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, this is Mustafa and I am interested to speak to you folks about
>> your faith. I would like to start with basic elements. Although the
>> tale of Adam and Eve in Eden  is initially mentioned in Genesis, the
>> current concept of Original Sin as known by Christians nowadays and
>> yesterday has been initially and essentially developed by Saul of
>> Tarsus whom Christians generically refer to as, Saint Paul. This
>> concept is basically the backbone of Christian faith as we know it
>> today. Unlike the Koran, the Bible is thought to be majorly parted to
>> Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, God is clearly one and
>> such concepts of Jesus being divine, the Trinity etc, haven’t been
>> mentioned there. True, Christian apologists unsuccessfully attempt to
>> strangely interpret things like, let’s make man in our immage and so
>> on, still, that doesn’t explicitly speak of what has been later
>> inserted by Paul and other authors. There are 29 verse of Jesus
>> praying throughout the parables. I just don’t know folks, where could
>> I go with Luke 6:12 as it says: “It was at this time that He went off
>> to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer to
>> God.” How could he be divine afterward? How are you folks able to
>> intently dispose of such plain evidence and falsely  stick to what is
>> implicitly construed? It is quite odd for me to be deceitful of myself
>> as such. Jesus has been plainly portrayed as someone who devotes
>> himself to submit in full recognition and obeisance to Allah glory be
>> to Him. Had he been divine, he would have not demanded to implore onto
>> the most High. At his time of cataclysm, he prayed onto his Lord to
>> help him. In Matthew 26:39, it says: “And He went a little beyond
>> them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is
>> possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You
>> will." Is this the disposal of an exalted being? Muslims therefore
>> believe, that Jesus, peace be upon him was sent to people by God to
>> deliver His message to them. That was the same mission of Moses,
>> David, Solomon, John, Zechariah, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob
>> and so on. Implicit in that, Islam is the religion of all those
>> prophets, as they have been sealed by Muhammad, peace and blessings be
>> upon him. In Islam, God doesn’t need someone to die on the Cross to
>> forgive us. He glory be to Him is providentially Omnipotent  and
>> eminently Self-sufficient to do so. The Christian concept of
>> redemption is intellectually purblind. As plainly stated in the
>> parables, Jesus has unappeasably implored to God in seclusion. That’s
>> the common temperament of the pious. He thence couldn’t be worshipping
>> and being worshipped simultaneously. I urge you folks to seek the
>> truth and deferentially comply to it. Despite the consequences, truth
>> is loud and worthy to be unconditionally consecrated. Let us just be
>> impartial as we view such critical matters. I sternly urge you to
>> substantially reassess and redress your theological belief. Basically,
>> everything you hold up to is invented by Saul, the former Jewish
>> persecutor of Christ’s actual disciples. Someone has just to be an oaf
>> and a moron to allegedly entrust Saul of Tarsus, this awful ratter,
>> kidder, slicker and immense chiseller. I can see how and why you might
>> had felt outraged. Nonetheless, it isn’t my destined intent to provoke
>> your offence. Basically, I have been demanded by some to read the
>> Bible. Well, after I read its whole books and chapters couple of
>> times, I caught the main theme and its obviously contradicting
>> narrative. I haven’t done so because I am anxious or tentative about
>> Islam. I was just kind of curious and, theology in genral is
>> concurrently my major and passion. I therefore am quite settled
>> regarding my convictions of Islam being the true and uniquely proper
>> faith. I am scholarly motivated. I thence have noticed and kind of
>> disliked how missionary activists tend to approach incompetent Muslim
>> individuals and unethically pose misconceptions to them. Why do you
>> deliberately evade confronting those of adequate status in the field?
>> Aren’t you confident enough about your disposition? Ultimately, up
>> until now, you all are shamefully paltering about the alleged
>> proclamation of Christ’s deification in the scripture. Throughout the
>> four Gospels, Jesus never explicitly, declared his divinity. To the
>> contrary though, he has constantly attributed primacy and exhibited
>> full submission and obedience to the Father, in other word, God in
>> Jewish traditional terms. John 11:41-42, “So they took away the stone.
>> Then Jesus looked up and said, "Father, I thank you that you have
>> heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this
>> for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe
>> that you sent me.” So, had he been truly divine, he would have
>> straightly said, I am God incarnate, as Christians claim. So, we’re
>> addressing here a crucial factor. Christians allegedly assert that
>> Jesus claimed to be God. I say fine, where is that in the Bible? They
>> then either quote sayings of Jesus that are implicit, in other words,
>> competent of being broadly interpreted and discerned or, rely on what
>> has been said by this liar, Paul. The latter is conspicuously
>> notorious of being the primal persecutor of Christ’s actual disciples.
>> All of a sudden, on his way to Damascus, he allegedly had a vision
>> whereas Jesus has eh, appeared to him. Is that a credible figure for
>> you? I noticed that some of you assume that prophet Muhammad, peace
>> and blessings be upon him has lied about God. Well, I tell you this,
>> inevitably, all Hadith, which is a tradition based on reports of the
>> sayings and activities of prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon
>> him, his companions and their apprentices, known terminologically as
>> the followers, is essentially grounded on immense integrity, relevance
>> and high application of morality. So, someone who relates something
>> about the prophet, his companions or even the generation after them
>> has to be trustworthy, accurate, credible, and of eminent excellence.
>> Is any of that applied to the path which through the Bible has been
>> transmitted? So for instance, this man Mark, what is his full name? We
>> knew the proper biographical record of the leastwise of any vector in
>> a chain of reporters that pertained to any Hadith. His birth,
>> upbringing, his teachers, reputation, reliance and even his death date
>> and region. Do you know the full biography of Luke? The process of the
>> two texts is substantially different. I wish to see someone with
>> sufficient courage to tackle this challenging concern. Look everyone,
>> I knew all about this. All converts to Christianity are doing so for
>> immigration, visa issuance and permanent residence purposes. For them,
>> the States is a final destination. Nonetheless, as of myself, I am of
>> different disposal. I wish to make you bear witness against yourselves
>> for intently disposing those of sufficient adequacy and seeking to
>> raptly pick out people of zero caveat and of extreme poverty and
>> ignorance to gradually proselytise to them. This constantly occur in
>> majorly developing nations and refugee camps. It troubles me indeed,
>> seeing bungling individuals poorly taken advantage of as such. I
>> sternly look forward to someone of the missionary or the pastoral
>> arena responding to this sort of allegation I am afraid. Neglecting me
>> though, shall make this accusatory proposition more firm and
>> confirmed. Let us be honest and plain. I unfortunately have wholly
>> exposed evangelist’s vicious shenanigan. Some may go to college campus
>> and opt Muslim students who are not sufficiently aware of theological
>> matters to pose misconceptions to them. These detrimental notions are
>> often affiliated with racial disparity. Well, such as, what brought
>> you here? Go back to your country and so on. Calling a Church the
>> white flag reflects this intrinsical assumption of allegedly favouring
>> Caucasian race. Hasn’t it been essentially based on superiority
>> complex of their own complexion, they would have not been so
>> denotative. I delt for awhile with southern Christians. Thus,  I knew
>> what I am talking about. They measuredly derogate those of darker
>> complexion. This ethical scandal is broadly known about them. That’s
>> why they fond Trump, despite his evil character. I respectfully demand
>> you folks to confront me. Whether the ranking staff of Alpha and Omega
>> or the White Flag, you both are mutually addressed with this strident
>> rhetoric. I challenge you to show me in the whole Bible, just one
>> statement, clearly uttered on the lips of Jesus Christ, openly
>> demanding divinity. I urge you to look for this in the whole scripture
>> and it won’t ever be found, basically because, it just doesn’t exist.
>> If I ever caught this as described above, I shall then be christened
>> instantly. What does Matthew 14:23 say? “After he had dismissed them,
>> he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he
>> was there alone.” Honestly, is that the disposal of someone with
>> divine nature? With this  criticising rhetoric, I address someone’s
>> basic intellect. Obviously, Jesus ate, slept and prayed. With this in
>> mind, how could he be divine then? Well, it was in the fourth
>> ecumenical council of Chalcedon, when the Hypostatic union doctrine
>> has been ultimately professed. This is an essential factor to think
>> of. Typically, people of pastoral devotion tend to intently evade
>> conversing about such subjects. Basically, these philosophical
>> discernments have appeared later in Christian theological history.
>> Well, common pastors etc won’t admit that. They will simply attempt to
>> palter. Well, that’s the problem, they don’t want to admit their
>> absolute failure on that regard. I therefore call pastors truth
>> avoiders. They deliberately mislead their audience. In order to attain
>> their religious objective of converting mortals, they tend to deceive,
>> evade and prettify. Jesus is plainly divulged in the parables.
>> Throughout them, he never expressed divinity of himself. Not once
>> folks, not once. Well, how is that conveniently disposed? I honestly
>> don’t know, how are they capable of reposing their conscience as such?
>> Each and every wording spoken by Jesus confirms the fact that he is a
>> prophet of God. He certainly has spoken with divine inspiration rather
>> than essence. Well I hope after this lengthy demonstration, I’ll be
>> confronted by someone who has sufficient courage and proper knowledge
>> to deeply converse with me concerning what I proposed. This is
>> theologian Mustafa from Cairo Egypt. I keenly look forward to hearing
>> from someone with deferent characteristics to thoroughly speak with.
>>
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