[Ct-nfb] Ct-nfb Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

vishal vishal14 at snet.net
Mon Apr 14 13:12:56 UTC 2014


Good morning Rich i have been searching for jobs on my own and not relying on besb to find me employment thanks for the compliments. I also wanted to say that besb wanted me to work for subminimum wages a few years ago but I turned down the offer.

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>   1. Re: Which would you prefer working for a penny or sitting
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>   2. Re: Ct-nfb Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 (vishal)
>   3. BASEBALL GAME FUNDRAISER (Gary Allen)
>   4. Re: Which would you prefer working for a penny or sitting
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>   5. Re: Ct-nfb Digest, Vol 37, Issue 11 (Richard McGaffin)
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> From: "Nathanael T. Wales" <ntwales at omsoft.com>
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> Rich,
> 
> My compliments to our host chapter as well.  We did indeed have a great and lively meeting.
> 
> I got the impression that it wasn?t so much DORS and Maloy?s representative that feel it?s better to pay the disabled pennies an hour than they just sit home.  I think it?s much more some of their vendors with whom they contract, like the Kennedy Center.  And some of our members still need to be educated on this issue still, too.  I did think that DORS and Maloy?s representative were not as strong as they could?ve been, but I am hopeful that they?ll adopt the policies that we want.  I could be wrong though.  They have an immediate challenge with outfits like the Kennedy Center threatening to lay off their disabled workers, and I think we have an opportunity to help DORS address this challenge if they?ll truly and honestly work with us towards our mutual goals.  DORS wants to help its clients in the immediate term, and we have a longterm proposal to truly rehabilitate these clients so that this won?t be an issue when this contract, which is for training and not because these clients actually have jobs like you had and my wife and I are blessed with, is over in a few years (and this model does need to end over a responsible period of time).
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> Best, and keep up your passion!
> 
> Nathanael
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> From: Richard McGaffin 
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> Subject: [Ct-nfb] Which would you prefer working for a penny or sitting home?
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> Good morning all;
> 
> First let me say how happy I was to see all my good friends yesterday, and in my opinion, I thought the host chapter did a great job in taking care of all of us.
> 
> However, I have to admit after hearing the response to our questions yesterday, I amost feel that we've been had, by both DORS/BESB and Malloy's representative. Its there something wrong with me, or did I get the impression that it's fine that they pay the disabled less than minimum wage as long as they had a place to go to each day. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that was the impression I got. I am very disgusted, with what I heard. And I say I don't know about the rest of you but I'd rather sit home with my thumb up my Ass then get paid less than minimum wage! This crap about having to move slowly is just that! I personally think it's wrong that anyone should have to swallow that bullshit!
> 
> Okay I've vented. and I apologize for my poor language, but I'm very angry. One last thing I should say, that if I had the cance to speak my mind yesterday I may have kicked out of the NFB.
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> Have a great day my friends. I'm off to clean my back yard.
> 
> Rich
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> Hi Rich i would rather be unemployed then work for subminimum wages does besb support this practice? I think besb does not care about me.
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>> Good morning all;
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>> First let me say how happy I was to see all my good friends yesterday, and in my opinion, I thought the host chapter did a great job in taking care of all of us.
>> ?
>> However, I have to admit after hearing the response to our questions yesterday, I amost feel that we've been had, by both DORS/BESB and Malloy's representative. Its there something wrong with me, or did I get the impression that it's fine that they pay the disabled less than minimum wage as long as they had a place to go to each day. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that was the impression I got. I am very disgusted, with what I heard. And I say I don't know about the rest of you but I'd rather sit home with my thumb up my Ass then get paid less than minimum wage! This crap about?having to move slowly is just that! I personally think it's wrong that anyone should have to swallow that bullshit!
>> ?
>> Okay I've vented. and I apologize for my poor language, but I'm very angry. One last thing I should say, that if I had the cance to speak my mind yesterday I may have kicked out of the NFB.
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>> Have a great day my friends. I'm off to clean my back yard.
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> From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
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> Rich, Nathanael, and all:
> 
>                Keeping my thumbs employed on my space bar, I have a few responses to this commentary.  I was not in attendance at this board meeting, but I may be able to provide some valuable additional perspective.
> 
> Does anyone really believe that the only other alternative to sheltered employment for the current sheltered workshop employees is sitting at home doing nothing?  I had a state senator tell me that he thought getting people into a residential sheltered workshop was better than letting them waste away in an institution somewhere.  I replied by pointing out the fact that this is wasting away in an institution somewhere.
> 
> In the absence of contracts, the sheltered workshop clients go into the shop and hang out.  They aren?t being productive.  Life is comfortable and expectations are nonexistent.  What?s so bad about that?  Where there might have been a door to a future of productivity exists now a wall of concrete.  It is a beautiful wall with butterflies painted on it, but it is nonetheless a concrete wall.
> 
> As the data and research demonstrate, supported employment is a universally better alternative to sheltered employment.  It produces a higher return on investment for states and employers.  It creates much more successful and productive workers.  If sheltered workshop clients were to transition immediately to supported employment models, they would all benefit.
> 
> If program administrators continue to allow the exploitation of our people, they have no grounds upon which to argue that they do not support it.  Every second of our lives, we Americans make a decision about what we are going to do.  When it comes to sheltered employment, we can choose a path toward its eradication or a path allowing its continuation.  Not acting at all generally allows its continuation.
> 
> I agree with those who believe in the need for a continuum of services.  What sheltered employment creates is a continuum of wages and a chasm in what should be a continuum of services.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin
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> From: Ct-nfb [mailto:ct-nfb-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathanael T. Wales
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:46 AM
> To: Richard McGaffin; NFB of Connecticut Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Ct-nfb] Which would you prefer working for a penny or sitting home?
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> Rich,
> 
> My compliments to our host chapter as well.  We did indeed have a great and lively meeting.
> 
> I got the impression that it wasn?t so much DORS and Maloy?s representative that feel it?s better to pay the disabled pennies an hour than they just sit home.  I think it?s much more some of their vendors with whom they contract, like the Kennedy Center.  And some of our members still need to be educated on this issue still, too.  I did think that DORS and Maloy?s representative were not as strong as they could?ve been, but I am hopeful that they?ll adopt the policies that we want.  I could be wrong though.  They have an immediate challenge with outfits like the Kennedy Center threatening to lay off their disabled workers, and I think we have an opportunity to help DORS address this challenge if they?ll truly and honestly work with us towards our mutual goals.  DORS wants to help its clients in the immediate term, and we have a longterm proposal to truly rehabilitate these clients so that this won?t be an issue when this contract, which is for training and not because these clients actually have jobs like you had and my wife and I are blessed with, is over in a few years (and this model does need to end over a responsible period of time).
> 
> Best, and keep up your passion!
> 
> Nathanael
> 
> 
> From: Richard McGaffin<mailto:rmcgaffin at snet.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:55 AM
> To: NFB of Connecticut Mailing List<mailto:ct-nfb at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Ct-nfb] Which would you prefer working for a penny or sitting home?
> 
> Good morning all;
> 
> First let me say how happy I was to see all my good friends yesterday, and in my opinion, I thought the host chapter did a great job in taking care of all of us.
> 
> However, I have to admit after hearing the response to our questions yesterday, I amost feel that we've been had, by both DORS/BESB and Malloy's representative. Its there something wrong with me, or did I get the impression that it's fine that they pay the disabled less than minimum wage as long as they had a place to go to each day. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that was the impression I got. I am very disgusted, with what I heard. And I say I don't know about the rest of you but I'd rather sit home with my thumb up my Ass then get paid less than minimum wage! This crap about having to move slowly is just that! I personally think it's wrong that anyone should have to swallow that bullshit!
> 
> Okay I've vented. and I apologize for my poor language, but I'm very angry. One last thing I should say, that if I had the cance to speak my mind yesterday I may have kicked out of the NFB.
> 
> Have a great day my friends. I'm off to clean my back yard.
> 
> Rich
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> Good morning Vishal,
> ?
> I'm not quite sure if saying they don't care are the correct words to?use. Yes I was and still am very angry after what I heard. However I must ask what are you doing to help yourself seek?employment. The problem as I see is these individuals?who work in these sheltered workshops aren't?doing anything to try to help their own cases. As I said it's true I have been?unemployed for 3 years now in June, and I have had 2 unsuccessful job placements one was my problem because of the fact that I couldn't memorize the screen, since it was for poling?the script was constantly changing.? the other was I would say my?ride or New?Haven's para-transits. I was taken to the wrong S&S and became so?frustrated I walked off the job.?
> ?
> I have to admit in both cases, BESB/DORS &?Marrakesh were extremely sympathetic.?I have come to the conclusion that as Blind folks we're?basically on our own for employment.?
> ?
> I do want to leave you with one more thought, and this is. That you my friend are an extremely intelligent individual and are capable of accomplishing great things. If yu try. Don't let yourself be put in the position that so many?of have (including myself)? that is to depend on BESB/DORS or anyone other than yourself or your parents make your decisions for you. You can do anything, you want if you stand fast & Stay strong.
> ?
> Rich
> ?
> P.S. I apologize if I ramble to much, but coming from a large family there are 2 things I've learned the first is don't allow yourself to be pushed around. And the 2nd is don't be afraid of a bloody nose.??????
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> Hi Rich i would rather be unemployed then work for subminimum wages does besb support this practice? I think besb does not care about me.
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>> ?
>> First let me say how happy I was to see all my good friends yesterday, and in my opinion, I thought the host chapter did a great job in taking care of all of us.
>> ?
>> However, I have to admit after hearing the response to our questions yesterday, I amost feel that we've been had, by both DORS/BESB and Malloy's representative. Its there something wrong with me, or did I get the impression that it's fine that they pay the disabled less than minimum wage as long as they had a place to go to each day. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that was the impression I got. I am very disgusted, with what I heard. And I say I don't know about the rest of you but I'd rather sit home with my thumb up my Ass then get paid less than minimum wage! This crap about?having to move slowly is just that! I personally think it's wrong that anyone should have to swallow that bullshit!
>> ?
>> Okay I've vented. and I apologize for my poor language, but I'm very angry. One last thing I should say, that if I had the cance to speak my mind yesterday I may have kicked out of the NFB.
>> ?
>> Have a great day my friends. I'm off to clean my back yard.
>> ?
>> Rich
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