[Diabetes-talk] Count-A-Dose.

Mon Nov 1 19:46:29 UTC 2010

Hey Gang!!

Call me the Queen of the Count-A-Dose!  All I needed was three years ago, 
when I actually did use the pens, I met that Medicare doughnut in the middle 
of April.  The next year, when I went back to using the very same insulin 
with the Count-A-dose along with the vials and syringes, what do ya know--I 
didn't hit the doughnut till the middle of August?  That spoke volumes to 
me!!  And, of course, it was Ed Bryant who gave me my count-a-dose lessons. 
To this day, I'm still maintaining A1C of 6.2.  I don't think I need say 
more?

Have a great day!!

Bern
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>   1. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage (Eileen Scrivani)
>   2. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage Count adose
>      (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage (Mike Freeman)
>   4. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage (Veronica Elsea)
>   5. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage Count a dose
>      (Veronica Elsea)
>   6. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage (Mike Freeman)
>   7. Re: update on Denial of Insulin Coverage Count a dose
>      (Mike Freeman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:01:05 -0400
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
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> I do not believe its as simple as a matter of preference, A.K.A. just
> getting what we want because we want it.
>
> Before I made the switch to pens, I was using the count A Dose,
> When my diabetic educator saw it, she immediately came forth and said she
> questioned the "Exactness" of the dosages the device was pulling up using
> vials & syringes.  She said all it would take to throw it off by a 
> fraction
> of a unit or half unit would be a slight & unintentional  movement of the
> hand or a little accidental extra push up or down and the insulin dose 
> would
> be thrown off.  For many people a fraction more or less may not have a 
> great
> impact.  For me at that time that little difference was having a huge 
> impact
> on my numbers and the way I felt.
>
> The pens deliver a very exact dosage and are a requirement for good 
> control
> and even numbers.
>
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:07:05 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
> Count adose
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> Hi, Joyce.
>
> Yes, the 1CC Count-a-dose is no longer made.  Apparently, there wasn't
> sufficient demand for it.  I wonder if this says something about 
> improvement
> in overall diabetes control, thus obviating the necessity for massive 
> doses
> of insulin?  I have no opinion.
>
> Personally, I don't think needles are all that expensive and I never had
> fear of injections or injection site problems but for those who did or do, 
> I
> can certainly relate.
>
> As I said in my previous post, there may not be a definitive answer to my
> philosophical question but the list has been sorta quiet lately so thought
> I'd stir the pot.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
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> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage Count
> adose
>
>
>>
>> The Count a dose is not the answer for all.  Before I started using  the
>> pen and the Count A Dose was not being manufactured I was on a dosage of
>> Lantis that I used a 1 cc syringe.  Luckily I had an old Count A Dose 
>> that
>> accomodated the 1 cc syringe.  From what I have heard the new Count a 
>> Dose
>> is
>> available in the 1/2 cc size only.  Is this correct?
>>
>> So now a diabetic would have to take 2 injections causing expense for
>> extra
>> needles per month and more possible problems with injection sites.
>>
>> Thank God I no longer need that Lantis dosage as I am on 44 units now
>> instead of 80 units, but that is close to the full syringe size.  So I am
>> happy
>> with the pen.
>> Joyce  Kane
>> www.KraftersKorner.org  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:23:50 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Eileen Scrivani" <ETSCRIVANI at VERIZON.NET>, "Diabetes Talk for the
> Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
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> Eileen:
>
> I'll certainly agree with you and stipulate that pens are more accurate.
> Most people in Europe nowadays use pens and can't figure out why we in the
> "colonies" haven't switched exclusively to them -- or pumps, perhaps.  If 
> my
> insurer said it would no longer cover pens, I'd switch insurers before I
> went to a Count-a-dose.  Nonetheless, I bought one "just in case".
>
> Incidentally, while I can see and agree with your CDE's opinion that one 
> can
> be more accurate with the pens than with Count-a-dose, there are those who
> feel that the latter is more accurate than the former.  The late Ed Bryant
> was notably of this opinion.  I suppose in the end it's what one is used 
> to.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
>
>
>>I do not believe its as simple as a matter of preference, A.K.A. just
>>getting what we want because we want it.
>>
>> Before I made the switch to pens, I was using the count A Dose,
>> When my diabetic educator saw it, she immediately came forth and said she
>> questioned the "Exactness" of the dosages the device was pulling up using
>> vials & syringes.  She said all it would take to throw it off by a
>> fraction of a unit or half unit would be a slight & unintentional
>> movement of the hand or a little accidental extra push up or down and the
>> insulin dose would be thrown off.  For many people a fraction more or 
>> less
>> may not have a great impact.  For me at that time that little difference
>> was having a huge impact on my numbers and the way I felt.
>>
>> The pens deliver a very exact dosage and are a requirement for good
>> control and even numbers.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:56:02 -0700
> From: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
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> I think that, blind or not, any person is going to find one system
> easier than another. Everyone should have that option. Some people
> with neuropathy will have certain abilities that may be different
> from other people. Just as every blind person is different. If you
> read the count-a-dose manual, they say there can be some variation in
> delivery from one vial to the next. If anyone felt mor reassured by
> how the pen delivered insulin, I'd totally support them. I think
> there is a way that the NFB could say that a blind person knows what
> is more accessible for him or her and should have the ability to have
> that determination respected. Same goes for sighted people.
> That's my take on the subject.
>
> Veronica
> Diabetes Melodious is here!
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> 877-607-6407
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 11:59:24 -0700
> From: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
> Count a dose
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> Also, for those who take very small amounts of insulin, some pens
> click in half-unit increments, which the count-a-dose does not.
>
> Veronica
> Diabetes Melodious is here!
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> 877-607-6407
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:37:37 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
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> Veronica:
>
> You'll get no argument from me on that score.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
>
>
>>I think that, blind or not, any person is going to find one system easier
>>than another. Everyone should have that option. Some people with 
>>neuropathy
>>will have certain abilities that may be different from other people. Just
>>as every blind person is different. If you read the count-a-dose manual,
>>they say there can be some variation in delivery from one vial to the 
>>next.
>>If anyone felt mor reassured by how the pen delivered insulin, I'd totally
>>support them. I think there is a way that the NFB could say that a blind
>>person knows what is more accessible for him or her and should have the
>>ability to have that determination respected. Same goes for sighted 
>>people.
>> That's my take on the subject.
>>
>> Veronica
>> Diabetes Melodious is here!
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> 877-607-6407
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:37:58 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage
> Count a dose
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> Right again!
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Veronica Elsea" <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] update on Denial of Insulin Coverage Count a
> dose
>
>
>> Also, for those who take very small amounts of insulin, some pens click 
>> in
>> half-unit increments, which the count-a-dose does not.
>>
>> Veronica
>> Diabetes Melodious is here!
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>> Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> 877-607-6407
>>
>>
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