[Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent Article

[d m gina]

No what I am saying is this,
They have two desserts one fruit for the diabetics and the cake for others.
I don't feel they should decide what a diabetic should eat,
In this case, you sure did the correct thing.
Poor lady.
Is she still living?

Original message:
> Hi,
> Each person should decide what they can and can't eat.
> You have to plan around the things you are going to have in a day.
> For example, if you are going to eat at a Banquet you have to guess 
> what the menu is if you don't know.
> Just be sure to carry something you can eat if your levels drop or you 
> eat at a different time and waited too long between meals.
> Some people have nothing else to do but tell you what to do.
> I must say that there are times when we do have to intervene.
> We had a person who was very confused, (she had several strokes) and 
> she was on dialysis. She kept eating the extra cake that was sitting 
> around the room.
> I finally asked the server to tell her there wasn't any more. She 
> couldn't see very well and didn't know there was more.
> She just didn't understand that she couldn't eat any more. If you are 
> starting to get upset please note that I knew her very well and that 
> she had already eaten six pieces of cake.
> I really didn't want to go in an ambulance with her that day.
> Colleen



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To:  diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 10:37:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: 
> Excellent Article



>> Mike I have always looked up to you, and I always feel you know more
>> than I until now.
>> the ID mate has done wonderful things for my diet, and it also helps my
>> husbands diet, now that we can read as many lables as we can from cans
>> bottles packages boxes and more.
>> We haven't had the ID mate long, for the short time we have though, we
>> have learned allot.
>> What can get depressing though, looking example at a biscuit, just one
>> can take up all of the carbs for me I am allowed for a meal.
>> Well trust me, not eating them often, when I do, I will have the rest
>> of the meal as well.  I realize not all of us can buy the ID mate,
>> where if you can, this will also help on how you eat.
>> I understand how my diabetic coordinator said to me one time, if you
>> have Jelly just do a teaspoon.
>> I couldn't figure out how she chose one teaspoon, until we read the jar
>> that said one teaspoon of jelly per serving.
>> ah yes, the light went on.
>> Now I understand.
>> I am excited this time, because three months ago I got off insulin, and
>> just am on pills.
>> I know by the numbers I have, my a one c will be much better.
>> It will take a week for me to get it back, where I will share.
>> Now I know you folks are better than I am on this, so that if is fine,
>> where for me I can't seem to keep celery or any vegetable products for
>> a long time before they go bad. I can't seem to eat them fast enough.
>> another gripe I have on eating, where when you are in a crowd someone
>> will say to you, for diabetics we have water melon.
>> the rest of us will have cake.
>> First of all, I am not a mellon fan.
>> My question is this,
>> Where on gravey do folks get the idea they can decide what I can or can't eat.
>> I want to slap them silly.
>> I don't, but gee it would be fun.
>> thanks again for being you to share what is happening, and I love to
>> read comments.

>> Original message:
>>> Chanelle:

>>> The one thing that is universal about diabetes is the old adage symbolized
>>> by the initials YMMV -- Your Mileage May Vary. Each person's diabetes is
>>> different from that of every other person although there are commonalities.
>>> I write this as an introduction to what I shall say below so that you will
>>> take it in the "for what it's worth" department rather than as the testimony
>>> of an "expert" which I am most definitely not.

>>> Once I learned the ins and outs of the wisdom (orthodox and otherwise) about
>>> diabetes and switched to intensive insulin management, I ultimately did not
>>> and do not find diabetes care to be overly-complex, a burden or requiring
>>> the level of vigilance that you apparently do. AS I say, it's a case of
>>> YMMV. But perhaps part of the key is that you say you aren't very good at
>>> self-discipline (you said it; I did not so this is not criticism). I think
>>> it's fair to say that good diabetes control inindoes* require a fair amount of
>>> discipline. There's a good Braille Monitor article about this from a year or
>>> two ago; it originally appeared in an issue of Diabetes Self-management
>>> Quarterly from some time in 2009. I'll see if I can dig it up although, as I
>>> say, it's in the Monitor. The article asserts that many people who have a
>>> tough time with diabetes were not all that disciplined in other areas of
>>> their lives (they did not have to be) so find it tough getting into the
>>> groove re diabetes management. As I say, this is not criticism.

>>> As for texture aversions, I don't have many although I did as a kid.
>>> Although I liked their taste, I found oranges kind of yuchy in texture; same
>>> went for peas, lima beans and avocados. Now the only thing I find kind of
>>> weird is peas although I will eat them mixed in with other vegetables or
>>> potatos. I think one just sets one's mind to getting over it and keeps
>>> trying until one succeeds or decides the effort isn't worth it. I have a
>>> nephew that doesn't like the texture of steak or rost beef or ribs -- I
>>> think he's terminally mentally ill in this regard but it's his problem, not
>>> mine. He likes hamburger, though -- go figure. But I think he just decided
>>> it isn't worth it.

>>> If you are inintruly* low-carb, as in Richard K. Bernstein, I suspect fruit is
>>> almost completely proscribed. Both South Beach and Atkins forbid fruit in
>>> the first part of getting over carb cravings (the goal of the first few
>>> weeks of their diets). South Beach, at least, reintroduces fruit after the
>>> first strict phase of the diet when presumably carb cravings have been
>>> tamed.

>>> I never really had or have carb cravings or even sweet cravings (being a
>>> chocoholic as a kid doesn't count). Not having a sense of smell, I can
>>> understand why you'd have a sweet tooth. You'll have to work out your own
>>> salvation there.

>>> Although I tend to go for a somewhat low-carb diet and, unlike the
>>> conventional wisdom dictates, I eat all the red meat I want, believing the
>>> link between fat -- especially saturated fat -- and heart disease to be
>>> tenuous at best, I do eat some carbohydrate.

>>> I think it's fair to say that one can get vitamin C and trace minerals from
>>> certain vegetables. But, all other things being equal, eating a wide variety
>>> of foods (including fruit), tends to make it more likely that one will
>>> receive all the nutrients one needs.

>>> It certainly helps to be on insulin; although it's probably prudent to keep
>>> the carb load down to a dull roar, at least one can compensate when one
>>> inindoes* want something carby!

>>> I do tend to subscribe to the intuitive eating theory; to me, it's the most
>>> natural and makes sense. Besides, contrary to the current fad of
>>> hand-wringing and "woe is me" thinking about American eating habits, the
>>> latest statistics show mortality on average is inindecreasing* in America, not
>>> increasing. However, there is increasing evidence that, as a whole, we eat
>>> far too much sugar. So, as Colleen says, ditch the guilt trip and eat
>>> something delectable -- just don't get into the habit of it. (grin)

>>> I don't suppose this helps much but it's grist for the mill.

>>> Mike Freeman


>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chanelle Allen
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:22 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent Article

>>> I too enjoyed listening to the presenter at the DAN seminar last year (I
>>> listened to the recording online). It would be wonderful if diabetes could
>>> be reduced to a mere nuisance. The problem is that the vigilance, care, and
>>> consistency required is overwhelming and takes up too much effort. I am not
>>> strong-willed or self-disciplined. The book Diabetes Burnout suggests that
>>> we are motivated to continue repeating destructive habits and that we don't
>>> change if the costs outweigh the benefits. Just because we know we shouldn't

>>> do something to avoid unpleasant consequences, that doesn't hinder people
>>> from choosing the same thing again.
>>> I started reading Health At Every Size: The Surprising Truth About Your
>>> Weight by Linda Bacon, which discusses the intuitive eating approach.
>>> Later in the book, Dr. Bacon recommends eating a variety of foods. I have a
>>> problem where I gag on foods of certain textures-comespecially fruit. Even
>>> mashed potatoes, which I like gives me that feeling if I eat too much. Has
>>> anyone experienced a similar problem not liking certain textures and what
>>> have you done to overcome it? I also don't have a sense of smell, so the
>>> food I don't like does not have much appeal even if it is supposed to taste
>>> good. Even eating the fruit that I like (sweet, crisp apples) doesn't take
>>> away my sweet craving. I try to eat lots of vegetables, so maybe that makes
>>> up for the lack of fruit. Is eating fruit still recommended on a low
>>> carbohydrate diet? I use an insulin pump, so I can't make the excuse that
>>> fruit will raise my blood sugar too high (smile).
>>> I hope that I haven't gone off topic.

>>> Chanelle


>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:02 AM
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Excellent Article

>>> ar On 6/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> Diabetics are often bombarded with advice on what's the "best" diet for
>>>>> them
>>>>> (as if diabetes is just one disease). The American diabetes Association
>>>>> tells us not to eliminate carbs from our diet (ignoring the fact that the
>>>>> Inuit did and are doing quite well, thank you, without much carbohydrate
>>>>> in
>>>>> the diet). The Atkins people hit us with just the opposite advice but
>>>>> arouse
>>>>> suspicion in some because of their association with certain types of
>>>>> alternative medical therapies.



>>>>> It seems as though the advice is driven as much by the current
>>>>> politically-correct, medical and scientific fads as it is by solid
>>>>> research
>>>>> (which is damnably difficult to do when dealing with diets and
>>>>> nutrition).
>>>>> And seldom is the ininreal* science behind all these assertions carefully
>>>>> and
>>>>> rigorously examined. It's high time this changed. It's why I had a
>>>>> different
>>>>> sourt of dietitian at last year's DAN Seminar and why I often come across
>>>>> as
>>>>> a terminal skeptic.



>>>>> Check out the blog post at the link shown below and get what seems to be
>>>>> more the straight scoop on all this. Many of our most cherished and
>>>>> unquestioned assumptions turn out to have little scientific basis.




>>> http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/03/05/whats-wrong-with-the-dietary-advice-diabe
>>>>> tes-uk-dishes-out-to-diabetics/



>>>>> Mike Freeman



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>>> ar Ya know gang, I was at that DAN Seminar and I really appreciated what
>>> ar that lady had to say.  I think that the way she mapped things out
>>> ar makes one's diabetes far more manageable.  Blindness, (at least to
>>> ar most of us here), is a mere nuisance; a characteristic.  We should be
>>> ar able to make diabetes the same; a mere characteristic or condition
>>> ar which we ourselves are all able to manage and control without being
>>> ar forced by myth, misconception, and society in general to regard our
>>> ar diabetes as a curse!!  Can't have this; can't have that; gotta eat
>>> ar this; gotta eat that; can only eat one cup of this; and whatever you
>>> ar do, don't forget your daily allowance of cardboard packaging; so help
>>> ar you God!!!  After all, ya gotta eat that because if ya eat something
>>> ar that actually tastes good, it's gonna be bad for ya.  I thought the
>>> ar bottom line of what that lady said was very simple: If you eat two
>>> ar pieces of chocolate fudge cake at the end of your meal and two hours
>>> ar later, you peak at 360, you know better than to ever do that again.
>>> ar especially if only you've eaten one piece of that cake and your sugar
>>> ar peaks at 165ish, then you know to allow yourself just one piece.  The
>>> ar object here is to set and know your peak so that if you rise above it,
>>> ar you know to cut yourself off.  Like Lynn said previously, the key is
>>> ar "MODERATION!"  It's not that you can't have what pleasures of life you
>>> ar wish.  You simply need to use discretion, disciplin and self control.
>>> ar If you can't control it, don't go there.  Simple as that. My other
>>> ar advice is test, test, test so you know where you are at all times.
>>> ar And, if you don't like your numbers, take heed and don't be afraid to
>>> ar seek counsel if you need.

>>> ar Bern

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