[Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent Article

Thu Jun 21 15:09:54 UTC 2012

Hi,
The lady in question passed away in 1994. It was a blessing because she was very confused and not doing well physically.
Thanks for your support.
I wouldn't like someone decicding for me whether I should eat cake or fruit.
Of course if the cake isn't very good I wouldn't want to waste my treat for the week on it.
Colleen Roth

----- Original Message -----
From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
To:  diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 09:24:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent Article

>
>
> No what I am saying is this,
> They have two desserts one fruit for the diabetics and the cake for others.
> I don't feel they should decide what a diabetic should eat,
> In this case, you sure did the correct thing.
> Poor lady.
> Is she still living?
> 
> Original message:
> > Hi,
> > Each person should decide what they can and can't eat.
> > You have to plan around the things you are going to have in a day.
> > For example, if you are going to eat at a Banquet you have to guess 
> > what the menu is if you don't know.
> > Just be sure to carry something you can eat if your levels drop or you 
> > eat at a different time and waited too long between meals.
> > Some people have nothing else to do but tell you what to do.
> > I must say that there are times when we do have to intervene.
> > We had a person who was very confused, (she had several strokes) and 
> > she was on dialysis. She kept eating the extra cake that was sitting 
> > around the room.
> > I finally asked the server to tell her there wasn't any more. She 
> > couldn't see very well and didn't know there was more.
> > She just didn't understand that she couldn't eat any more. If you are 
> > starting to get upset please note that I knew her very well and that 
> > she had already eaten six pieces of cake.
> > I really didn't want to go in an ambulance with her that day.
> > Colleen
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> > To:  diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Wednesday, Jun 20, 2012 10:37:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: 
> > Excellent Article
> 
> 
> 
> >ar Mike I have always looked up to you, and I always feel you know more
> >ar than I until now.
> >ar the ID mate has done wonderful things for my diet, and it also helps my
> >ar husbands diet, now that we can read as many lables as we can from cans
> >ar bottles packages boxes and more.
> >ar We haven't had the ID mate long, for the short time we have though, we
> >ar have learned allot.
> >ar What can get depressing though, looking example at a biscuit, just one
> >ar can take up all of the carbs for me I am allowed for a meal.
> >ar Well trust me, not eating them often, when I do, I will have the rest
> >ar of the meal as well.  I realize not all of us can buy the ID mate,
> >ar where if you can, this will also help on how you eat.
> >ar I understand how my diabetic coordinator said to me one time, if you
> >ar have Jelly just do a teaspoon.
> >ar I couldn't figure out how she chose one teaspoon, until we read the jar
> >ar that said one teaspoon of jelly per serving.
> >ar ah yes, the light went on.
> >ar Now I understand.
> >ar I am excited this time, because three months ago I got off insulin, and
> >ar just am on pills.
> >ar I know by the numbers I have, my a one c will be much better.
> >ar It will take a week for me to get it back, where I will share.
> >ar Now I know you folks are better than I am on this, so that if is fine,
> >ar where for me I can't seem to keep celery or any vegetable products for
> >ar a long time before they go bad. I can't seem to eat them fast enough.
> >ar another gripe I have on eating, where when you are in a crowd someone
> >ar will say to you, for diabetics we have water melon.
> >ar the rest of us will have cake.
> >ar First of all, I am not a mellon fan.
> >ar My question is this,
> >ar Where on gravey do folks get the idea they can decide what I can or can't eat.
> >ar I want to slap them silly.
> >ar I don't, but gee it would be fun.
> >ar thanks again for being you to share what is happening, and I love to
> >ar read comments.
> 
> >ar Original message:
> >>> Chanelle:
> 
> >>> The one thing that is universal about diabetes is the old adage symbolized
> >>> by the initials YMMV -- Your Mileage May Vary. Each person's diabetes is
> >>> different from that of every other person although there are commonalities.
> >>> I write this as an introduction to what I shall say below so that you will
> >>> take it in the "for what it's worth" department rather than as the testimony
> >>> of an "expert" which I am most definitely not.
> 
> >>> Once I learned the ins and outs of the wisdom (orthodox and otherwise) about
> >>> diabetes and switched to intensive insulin management, I ultimately did not
> >>> and do not find diabetes care to be overly-complex, a burden or requiring
> >>> the level of vigilance that you apparently do. AS I say, it's a case of
> >>> YMMV. But perhaps part of the key is that you say you aren't very good at
> >>> self-discipline (you said it; I did not so this is not criticism). I think
> >>> it's fair to say that good diabetes control inindoes* require a fair amount of
> >>> discipline. There's a good Braille Monitor article about this from a year or
> >>> two ago; it originally appeared in an issue of Diabetes Self-management
> >>> Quarterly from some time in 2009. I'll see if I can dig it up although, as I
> >>> say, it's in the Monitor. The article asserts that many people who have a
> >>> tough time with diabetes were not all that disciplined in other areas of
> >>> their lives (they did not have to be) so find it tough getting into the
> >>> groove re diabetes management. As I say, this is not criticism.
> 
> >>> As for texture aversions, I don't have many although I did as a kid.
> >>> Although I liked their taste, I found oranges kind of yuchy in texture; same
> >>> went for peas, lima beans and avocados. Now the only thing I find kind of
> >>> weird is peas although I will eat them mixed in with other vegetables or
> >>> potatos. I think one just sets one's mind to getting over it and keeps
> >>> trying until one succeeds or decides the effort isn't worth it. I have a
> >>> nephew that doesn't like the texture of steak or rost beef or ribs -- I
> >>> think he's terminally mentally ill in this regard but it's his problem, not
> >>> mine. He likes hamburger, though -- go figure. But I think he just decided
> >>> it isn't worth it.
> 
> >>> If you are inintruly* low-carb, as in Richard K. Bernstein, I suspect fruit is
> >>> almost completely proscribed. Both South Beach and Atkins forbid fruit in
> >>> the first part of getting over carb cravings (the goal of the first few
> >>> weeks of their diets). South Beach, at least, reintroduces fruit after the
> >>> first strict phase of the diet when presumably carb cravings have been
> >>> tamed.
> 
> >>> I never really had or have carb cravings or even sweet cravings (being a
> >>> chocoholic as a kid doesn't count). Not having a sense of smell, I can
> >>> understand why you'd have a sweet tooth. You'll have to work out your own
> >>> salvation there.
> 
> >>> Although I tend to go for a somewhat low-carb diet and, unlike the
> >>> conventional wisdom dictates, I eat all the red meat I want, believing the
> >>> link between fat -- especially saturated fat -- and heart disease to be
> >>> tenuous at best, I do eat some carbohydrate.
> 
> >>> I think it's fair to say that one can get vitamin C and trace minerals from
> >>> certain vegetables. But, all other things being equal, eating a wide variety
> >>> of foods (including fruit), tends to make it more likely that one will
> >>> receive all the nutrients one needs.
> 
> >>> It certainly helps to be on insulin; although it's probably prudent to keep
> >>> the carb load down to a dull roar, at least one can compensate when one
> >>> inindoes* want something carby!
> 
> >>> I do tend to subscribe to the intuitive eating theory; to me, it's the most
> >>> natural and makes sense. Besides, contrary to the current fad of
> >>> hand-wringing and "woe is me" thinking about American eating habits, the
> >>> latest statistics show mortality on average is inindecreasing* in America, not
> >>> increasing. However, there is increasing evidence that, as a whole, we eat
> >>> far too much sugar. So, as Colleen says, ditch the guilt trip and eat
> >>> something delectable -- just don't get into the habit of it. (grin)
> 
> >>> I don't suppose this helps much but it's grist for the mill.
> 
> >>> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chanelle Allen
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:22 AM
> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> >>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] intuitive eating and textures Re: Excellent Article
> 
> >>> I too enjoyed listening to the presenter at the DAN seminar last year (I
> >>> listened to the recording online). It would be wonderful if diabetes could
> >>> be reduced to a mere nuisance. The problem is that the vigilance, care, and
> >>> consistency required is overwhelming and takes up too much effort. I am not
> >>> strong-willed or self-disciplined. The book Diabetes Burnout suggests that
> >>> we are motivated to continue repeating destructive habits and that we don't
> >>> change if the costs outweigh the benefits. Just because we know we shouldn't
> 
> >>> do something to avoid unpleasant consequences, that doesn't hinder people
> >>> from choosing the same thing again.
> >>> I started reading Health At Every Size: The Surprising Truth About Your
> >>> Weight by Linda Bacon, which discusses the intuitive eating approach.
> >>> Later in the book, Dr. Bacon recommends eating a variety of foods. I have a
> >>> problem where I gag on foods of certain textures-comespecially fruit. Even
> >>> mashed potatoes, which I like gives me that feeling if I eat too much. Has
> >>> anyone experienced a similar problem not liking certain textures and what
> >>> have you done to overcome it? I also don't have a sense of smell, so the
> >>> food I don't like does not have much appeal even if it is supposed to taste
> >>> good. Even eating the fruit that I like (sweet, crisp apples) doesn't take
> >>> away my sweet craving. I try to eat lots of vegetables, so maybe that makes
> >>> up for the lack of fruit. Is eating fruit still recommended on a low
> >>> carbohydrate diet? I use an insulin pump, so I can't make the excuse that
> >>> fruit will raise my blood sugar too high (smile).
> >>> I hope that I haven't gone off topic.
> 
> >>> Chanelle
> 
> 
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:02 AM
> >>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Excellent Article
> 
> >>> ar On 6/16/12, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Diabetics are often bombarded with advice on what's the "best" diet for
> >>>>> them
> >>>>> (as if diabetes is just one disease). The American diabetes Association
> >>>>> tells us not to eliminate carbs from our diet (ignoring the fact that the
> >>>>> Inuit did and are doing quite well, thank you, without much carbohydrate
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the diet). The Atkins people hit us with just the opposite advice but
> >>>>> arouse
> >>>>> suspicion in some because of their association with certain types of
> >>>>> alternative medical therapies.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>> It seems as though the advice is driven as much by the current
> >>>>> politically-correct, medical and scientific fads as it is by solid
> >>>>> research
> >>>>> (which is damnably difficult to do when dealing with diets and
> >>>>> nutrition).
> >>>>> And seldom is the ininreal* science behind all these assertions carefully
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> rigorously examined. It's high time this changed. It's why I had a
> >>>>> different
> >>>>> sourt of dietitian at last year's DAN Seminar and why I often come across
> >>>>> as
> >>>>> a terminal skeptic.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>> Check out the blog post at the link shown below and get what seems to be
> >>>>> more the straight scoop on all this. Many of our most cherished and
> >>>>> unquestioned assumptions turn out to have little scientific basis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >>> http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/03/05/whats-wrong-with-the-dietary-advice-diabe
> >>>>> tes-uk-dishes-out-to-diabetics/
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>> Mike Freeman
> 
> 
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> >>> ar Ya know gang, I was at that DAN Seminar and I really appreciated what
> >>> ar that lady had to say.  I think that the way she mapped things out
> >>> ar makes one's diabetes far more manageable.  Blindness, (at least to
> >>> ar most of us here), is a mere nuisance; a characteristic.  We should be
> >>> ar able to make diabetes the same; a mere characteristic or condition
> >>> ar which we ourselves are all able to manage and control without being
> >>> ar forced by myth, misconception, and society in general to regard our
> >>> ar diabetes as a curse!!  Can't have this; can't have that; gotta eat
> >>> ar this; gotta eat that; can only eat one cup of this; and whatever you
> >>> ar do, don't forget your daily allowance of cardboard packaging; so help
> >>> ar you God!!!  After all, ya gotta eat that because if ya eat something
> >>> ar that actually tastes good, it's gonna be bad for ya.  I thought the
> >>> ar bottom line of what that lady said was very simple: If you eat two
> >>> ar pieces of chocolate fudge cake at the end of your meal and two hours
> >>> ar later, you peak at 360, you know better than to ever do that again.
> >>> ar especially if only you've eaten one piece of that cake and your sugar
> >>> ar peaks at 165ish, then you know to allow yourself just one piece.  The
> >>> ar object here is to set and know your peak so that if you rise above it,
> >>> ar you know to cut yourself off.  Like Lynn said previously, the key is
> >>> ar "MODERATION!"  It's not that you can't have what pleasures of life you
> >>> ar wish.  You simply need to use discretion, disciplin and self control.
> >>> ar If you can't control it, don't go there.  Simple as that. My other
> >>> ar advice is test, test, test so you know where you are at all times.
> >>> ar And, if you don't like your numbers, take heed and don't be afraid to
> >>> ar seek counsel if you need.
> 
> >>> ar Bern
> 
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