[Diabetes-talk] victoza

Sat Mar 23 18:08:58 UTC 2013

Sandi:

I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover
300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between saturated
fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the consequences you
cite below.

Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like to
admit. (grin)

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In looking

at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat in 
refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to worry 
about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no longer 
touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves much less 
hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.

Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  Mike is 
absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of fat--what 
have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics are better off eating

regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they are 
lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an awful 
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to represent
> all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add meat
> back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use ground
> turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I
> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get
> used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
> anything should happen while over there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.
>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and
>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,
>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just
>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had
>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>> I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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>>> every sinner has a future
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