[Diabetes-talk] victoza

Sun Mar 24 23:49:57 UTC 2013

I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't have
ever happened.

Bridgit

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is the 
problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really large 
amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather eat the
real 
food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around with!  A book I'm 
currently reading is convincing me that the problem with increased
diabetes, 
obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I know

that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
healthier, 
and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never have
been 
in our food!

Sandi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza

> Sandi:
>
> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis withover

> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
> consequences you cite below.
>
> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like 
> to admit. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In
> looking
>
> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat 
> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough to

> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no 
> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!  
> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case

> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
> are better off eating
>
> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they 
> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence in much of the
>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made
>> with
>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
>> belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>> Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>> healthy living in general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>> dealing and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until 
>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt 
>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also 
>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Dar
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>>>> every sinner has a future
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