[Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter

[Bridgit Pollpeter]

Most natural peanut butters are like that. You just have to mix it a lot
before using. I've dumped entire jars into larger air-tight containers
for better mixing, smile.

Bridgit

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Of Grant E. Metcalf
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:01 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Diabetes-talk] natural peanut butter


Speaking of peanut butter, has anybody got a good and practical solution
for 
dealing with Adam's Natural crunchy? I've tried it a couple of times but
get 
totally frustrated with obtaining a nice smooth blending of oil and
solids. 
Consequently, I use Skippy crunchy, they don't have a natural crunchy as

yet. And my favorite bread is sprouted barley, barley seemingly better
on 
carbs for diabetics according to Mendosa's chart. Grant
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>   1. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Mike Freeman)
>   2. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Mike Freeman)
>   3. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Sandi Ryan)
>   4. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
>   5. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   6. Re: Prime Rib (was RE: victoza) (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>   7. Re: NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? StudyLinksFattier Milk To
>      Slimmer Kids (Sandi Ryan)
>   8. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>   9. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  10. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  11. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  12. Re: victoza (Robert Shelton)
>  13. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  14. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  15. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Robert Shelton)
>  16. Re: victoza (Bridgit Pollpeter)
>  17. Re: victoza (d m gina)
>  18. Re: victoza (Mike Freeman)
>  19. Re: whole milk and cholesterol (Mike Freeman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:41:57 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <017201ce28f9$f085ee80$d191cb80$@panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hey Sandi!
>
> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly 
> on
> the
> hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for quick 
> answers.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny 
> morsels of information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the 
> American public, and it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, 
> scientists don't contradict things because, hey, they like the 
> limelight!  The pattern in our country today is do a study, talk about

> it, get sound-bites into the media, work with manufacturers to get the

> latest thing on the shelf, then study it some more, find out it 
> doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to those who,
> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility to
go
> around! *smile*
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We 
>> are told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, 
>> no-carb diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study 
>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think 
>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with something

>> that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin responses of 
>> the pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) this *can't* be

>> true and
>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these 
>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the "experts"

>> to admit that people may differ and that, for some, calorie intake 
>> may
>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> by Allison Aubrey
>>
>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
>> at age 2.
>>
>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr 
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>
>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk 
>> at age 2.
>>
>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old 
>> to-do
>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole 
>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>
>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>
>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>
>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American 
>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>
>> The guidance 
>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as 
>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL 
>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high 
>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to 
>> keep an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>
>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which 
>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, 
>> that's been the assumption.
>>
>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study 
>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-302941
>> .
>> sh
>> ort?
>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the British
>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
> weight.
>>
>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>
>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer 
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. 
>> He and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf 
>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of the

>> University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>
>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and higher

>> body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and socioeconomic 
>> groups. DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat milk did not 
>> restrain weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>
>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. 
>> Parents were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on 
>> two
>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4
years.
>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>
>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this 
>> direction.
>>
>> In a 2005 study 
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+calc
>> i
>> um
>> +and
>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported 
>> +weight+gain> that
>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 
>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>
>> And a 2010 study 
>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by 
>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at 
>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at 
>> age 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). The

>> researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to reduced-fat 
>> milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight problems in early
> childhood.
>>
>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become 
>> more intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to 
>> lower weight.
>>
>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense of

>> satiety.
>>
>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after 
>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food 
>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk 
>> saves a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of mashed

>> potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>
>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study 
>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children 
>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>
>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat milk?
>>
>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, 
>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer. 
>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive 
>> studies.
>>
>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation to

>> give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen Daniels

>> <http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments
>> /
>> pe
>> diat
>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on
Nutrition.
>>
>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes 
>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>
>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat 
>> and cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And 
>> Daniels points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on 
>> low-fat milk were already heavier.
>>
>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been choosing

>> low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who were 
>> already overweight," Daniels says.
>>
>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is 
>> that
>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a 
>> major driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many studies

>> have shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger role 
>> <http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-s
>> u
>> ga
>> ry-s
>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:43:29 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I 
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork 
>> out on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster, 
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic 
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is 
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
>>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
>>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime 
>>>> rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is

>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd

>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>> the problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I
>>>> know
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>>>> have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>> between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>>> consequences you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>>> In looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat
>>>>> in
>>>>> refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
to
>>>>> worry
>>>>> about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no
longer
>>>>> touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding themselves
much
>>>>> less
>>>>> hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an awful lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried
beans
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've 
>>>>>> elected me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever 
>>>>>> have, grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain

>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly
>>>>>> when I am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my
dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
>>>>>> Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is 
>>>>>>> permanent. One, start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two,

>>>>>>> eat foods that are better for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. 
>>>>>>> Activity of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so

>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether 
>>>>>>> it be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>> whatever your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity 
>>>>>>> of weight, you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to

>>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more

>>>>>>> constructive and
>>>>>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in
>>>>>>> general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby,
>>>>>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
dealing
>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells 
>>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity

>>>>>>> after meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well. Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this 
>>>>>>>> class of drug is almost like a chemical lapband in that it 
>>>>>>>> causes your stomach to fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>>> Had
>>>>>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
the
>>>>>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
so
>>>>>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again.
>>>>>>>> I also have burning in the chest.
>>>>>>>> I think this is from acid.
>>>>>>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>>>>>>> I played the game now game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:43 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <634CAF1B04EB4009B8F20F358186CB75 at SandiPC>
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> I don't know that drinking skim milk makes you fat.  But drinking 
> whole
> milk
> doesn't either--necessarily.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
>> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>>
>>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was 
>> never overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 
>> 50 pounds at age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on
atorvastatin,
>> 10
>> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
>> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
>> interview
>> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
>> "The
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme
>> q10
>> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find
>> quite
>> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic,
49,
>> HDL
>> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
>> with
>> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm
going
>> back
>> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
>> bad.
>> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
>> Grant
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:45:18 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Stattens *do* tend to reduce the risk of heart attacks but ... 
> drum-roll
> ...
> we don't know why. It may well have nothing to do with lowering 
> cholesterol
> at all!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:51 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Grant,
>
> Interesting you should mention this issue.  I am currently reading a
> couple
> of books "The Blood Sugar Solution" by Mark Hyman and "Fat Chance" by 
> Robert
> Lustig, and last night I ran across information about statins raising 
> blood
> sugar and reducing coenzyme Q10, and, incidentally, lowering HDL.  My
HDL
> has been low since I was first put on Lipitor about seven years ago. 
> Funny
> how the docs mentioned the liver issue, the muscle issue, but nothing 
> about
> its lowering CoQ10 and HDL and raising blood sugar!  Right now I'm on
40
> milligrams of simvastatin, but you can bet I'm going to talk with my
doc
> about it!  Honestly, sometimes I think medications are more harmful
than
> helpful!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grant E. Metcalf" <thegems at dslextreme.com>
> To: <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
>> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was 
>> never overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 
>> 50 pounds at
>
>> age 8.
>> As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put me on 
>> atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels 
>> increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I

>> came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who

>> co-wrote a book entitled "The
>
>> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced 
>> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the 
>> net, I did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. 
>> My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my 
>> insulin dosage and now supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that

>> bad before, only 105. I think I'm going back to no statins for 
>> myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that bad. Again, 
>> that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Grant
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:43:41 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes 
> out, another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the 
> flu shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same 
> interview, and each had a completely different view with what seemed 
> like good scientific support as to why their recommendation was the 
> right one. One urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors 
> and those with chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it 
> didn't decrease anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and 
> therefore shouldn't get one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community 
> can't agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,

> whole milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's

> the same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense
to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol 
> we ate was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  
> Unfortunately, we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you
high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
>>frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using 
>> real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as 
>> much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.

>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing

>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>> and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have

>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for those who

>>>> can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:46:07 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
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> Depends on how it's made, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:43 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
> Yeah ... the best part of the spaghetti is the garlic bread!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:53 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
> Nearly anything goes great with garlic butter!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernadette Jacobs" <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Prime Rib (was RE: victoza)
>
>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Mike!!!  Love that Mexican Food and I 
>> sure do love that prime rib!!!  As for the others, I'd rather pork 
>> out
>
>> on seafood!  Myself...  I love it all--squid, octopus, lobster, 
>> shrimp, scallops, and every last bit of it--swimming in hot garlic 
>> butter!!!  I'm salivating just typing all this right now!!!  This is 
>> entirely hopeless!!!
>>
>> Bern
>>
>> On 3/24/13, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>>> What? Every evening isn't a special occasion? I think one ought to 
>>> have prime rib 385 days a year, Mexican food 423 days a year and 
>>> sirloin, new York or rib-eye steak the other 722 days a year!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> d
>>> m gina
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 8:30 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> Love prime rib don't have it often but love to have it for special 
>>> treats.
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> I understand. My words were as much for everyone else as for you.
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, I don't even worry about trans-fats. Up with prime 
>>>> rib!
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is

>>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd

>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that 
>>>> the
>
>>>> problem with increased
>>> diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose.  I

>>>> know that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier 
>>>> and
>>> healthier,
>>>> and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which should never 
>>>> have
>>> been
>>>> in our food!
>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>>> withover 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link 
>>>>> between
>>> saturated
>>>>> fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the 
>>>>> consequences you
>>>>> cite below.
>>>
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>>> like to
>>>>> admit. (grin)
>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing! 
>>>>> In looking
>>>
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>>> enough to worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a 
>>>>> day!  We're no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people 
>>>>> are finding themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a 
>>>>> bit more fat.
>>>
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>>> Mike
>>> is
>>>>> absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the case of 
>>>>> fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>>> they are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's 
>>>>>> an
>
>>>>>> awful lot
>>>>>> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in
> much
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried 
>>>>>> beans
>
>>>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
> popular
>>>>>> belief.
>>>
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say

>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>>> diabetic orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've 
>>>>>> elected
>
>>>>>> me to
>>> represent
>>>>>> all of you! :-)
>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>>> pregnancy, and I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever 
>>>>>> have,
>
>>>>>> grin.
>>>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain

>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying

>>>>>> to get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I 
>>>>>> am the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog
> if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there.
>>>>>> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
>>>>>> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad you 
>>>>>> lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>>> people
>>>
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise 
>>>>>>> needs
>
>>>>>>> to become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,

>>>>>>> start eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that 
>>>>>>> are better for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat 
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>>> etc. Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. 
>>>>>>> Activity
>
>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so

>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether 
>>>>>>> it
>
>>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- 
>>>>>>> whatever
>
>>>>>>> your pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,

>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>>> weight loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to

>>>>>>> old habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more

>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from

>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>>> finding the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. 
>>>>>>> Somehow, I've managed to lose almost all the weight in seven 
>>>>>>> months, but I need to work on the toning again. Something tells 
>>>>>>> me this is a life-long struggle, grin.
>>>
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>>> likely to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity

>>>>>>> after meals.
>>>
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty 
>>>>>>> well.
>
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is 
>>>>>>>> completely
>
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug

>>>>>>>> is almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your 
>>>>>>>> stomach
>
>>>>>>>> to fill
>>>
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>>> had the
>>>
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this 
>>>>>>>> evening.
>
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over 
>>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>
>>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now 
>>>>>>>> game is over.
>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
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>>>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:48:38 -0500
> From: "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? 
> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
> Message-ID: <41657CA019BA4225AF9C8F39231E8D37 at SandiPC>
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> I mentioned scientists, but not to the proper extent.  In spite of 
> scientific method, scientists often believe they must have the only 
> right answer, even though they haven't yet done the science.  And both

> scientists and docs tend to have strong opinions about things they've 
> never studied.
>
> Gotta love 'em!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk OrSkim? 
> StudyLinksFattier
> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>
>
>> Hey Sandi!
>>
>> You forgot about the medicos and other scientists that are constantly

>> on the hunt for research dollars so cater to the media's hunger for 
>> quick answers.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 5:58 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim?
>> StudyLinksFattier
>> Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>> A lot of that happens because the media pick up on certain tiny 
>> morsels
>> of
>> information from a bunch of studies, feed it to the American public,
and
>> it's grabbed up as fact.  And a lot of times, scientists don't
contradict
>> things because, hey, they like the limelight!  The pattern in our
country
>> today is do a study, talk about it, get sound-bites into the media,
work
>> with manufacturers to get the latest thing on the shelf, then study
it
>> some
>> more, find out it doesn't really work, but continue to sell it to
those
>> who,
>> regardless of evidence, still believe it.  Lots of irresponsibility
to go
>> around! *smile*
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? 
>> StudyLinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>
>>
>>> And like everything else, medical treatments go through trends. We 
>>> are told one thing only to have it changed. Like butter, caffeine, 
>>> no-carb diets, low-protein diets, etc. And the beat goes on.
>>>
>>> Bridgit
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:31 AM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study 
>>> LinksFattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>>
>>> I put the article below on this site to demonstrate the fuzzy-think 
>>> that even medical authorities manifest when confronted with 
>>> something that doesn't fit their cherished ideas. Note the twin 
>>> responses of the pediatrician cited at the end of the article: (1) 
>>> this *can't* be true and
>>> (2) the kids were overweight to begin with. Well hello! Aren't these

>>> the kids we're worried about? And note the inability of the 
>>> "experts" to admit that people may differ and that, for some, 
>>> calorie intake may
>>> *not* be totally predictive of energy use.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:02 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] NPR News: Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links 
>>> Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> Whole Milk Or Skim? Study Links Fattier Milk To Slimmer Kids
>>>
>>> by Allison Aubrey
>>>
>>> March 20, 201312:27 PM
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk

>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> David M. Goehring/Via Flickr 
>>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/carbonnyc/2060372584/in/photostream/>
>>>
>>> Parents are currently advised to switch toddlers to reduced-fat milk

>>> at age 2.
>>>
>>> The job of parenting toddlers ain't easy. Consider the 2-year-old 
>>> to-do
>>> list: Get tantrums under control. Potty train. Transition from whole

>>> milk to low-fat milk.
>>>
>>> Speaking from experience, only one of these things was easy.
>>>
>>> As my daughter turned 2 in January, we made the simple switch to 
>>> reduced-fat milk. Done. Don't need to overthink this one, right?
>>>
>>> After all, I'm following the evidence-based advice of the American 
>>> Academy of Pediatrics.
>>>
>>> The guidance 
>>> <http://www.pediatrics.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2008-1349>
>>> is based on studies that found children who consumed low-fat milk as

>>> part of a reduced-saturated-fat diet had lower concentrations of LDL

>>> cholesterol. Given the body of evidence in adults linking high 
>>> cholesterol to increased risk of heart disease, it makes sense to 
>>> keep an eye on cholesterol, beginning in childhood.
>>>
>>> And if you take fat out of milk, you've also reduced calories, which

>>> should help protect kids against becoming overweight. At least, 
>>> that's been the assumption.
>>>
>>> So here's where things gets confusing. A new study 
>>> <http://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/13/archdischild-2012-30294
>>> 1.
>>> sh
>>> ort?
>>> g=w_adc_ahead_tab>  of preschool-aged children published in the
>>> Archives of Disease in Childhood, a sister publication of the
British
>>> Medical Journal, finds that low-fat milk was associated with higher
>> weight.
>>>
>>> That's right, kids drinking low-fat milk tended to be heavier.
>>>
>>> "We were quite surprised" by the findings, Dr. Mark DeBoer 
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/371>  told me in an email. 
>>> He and his co-author, Dr. Rebecca Scharf 
>>> <http://uvahealth.com/doctors/physicians/rebeca-scharf> , both of 
>>> the University of Virginia, had hypothesized just the opposite.
>>>
>>> But they found the relationship between skim-milk drinkers and 
>>> higher body weights held up across all racial/ethnic and 
>>> socioeconomic groups. DeBoer says their data also show that low-fat 
>>> milk did not restrain weight gain in preschoolers over time.
>>>
>>> The study included about 10,700 children in the United States. 
>>> Parents were interviewed about their child's beverage consumption on

>>> two
>>> occasions: once when the children were 2 years old and again at 4
years.
>>> Direct measurements of height and weight (to calculate body mass
>>> index) were taken by researchers.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, this is not the first study to point in this 
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> In a 2005 study 
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Berkey+Milk%2C+dietary+cal
>>> ci
>>> um
>>> +and
>>> +weight+gain> , researchers at Brigham and Women's Hospital reported

>>> +weight+gain> that
>>> skim and 1 percent milk were associated with weight gain among 
>>> 9-to-14-year-olds.
>>>
>>> And a 2010 study 
>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Huh+milk+adiposity>  by 
>>> researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston, which also looked at 
>>> preschool-aged children, found that higher intake of whole milk at 
>>> age 2 was associated with a slightly lower BMI (body mass index). 
>>> The researchers concluded that switching from whole milk to 
>>> reduced-fat milk at 2 years did not appear to prevent weight 
>>> problems in early
>> childhood.
>>>
>>> When you look at these studies together, DeBoer's findings become 
>>> more intriguing, though it's unclear how higher fat could lead to 
>>> lower weight.
>>>
>>> One theory: It's possible that whole milk gives us a greater sense 
>>> of satiety.
>>>
>>> "This is speculative," says DeBoer, but if you feel fuller after 
>>> drinking whole-fat milk, "it may be protective if the other food 
>>> options are high in calories." In other words, if whole-fat milk 
>>> saves a kid from eating an extra cookie or a second serving of 
>>> mashed potatoes, he or she may end up eating fewer calories overall.
>>>
>>> As the authors acknowledge, one of the shortcomings of the new study

>>> is that the researchers did not know how many calories the children 
>>> were consuming overall or what types of foods they were eating.
>>>
>>> So is it time to think anew about switching toddlers to low-fat 
>>> milk?
>>>
>>> "I don't think there is harm in rethinking a recommendation, 
>>> particularly if there weren't rigorous data behind it," says DeBoer.

>>> He says he hopes his results lead to further, more definitive 
>>> studies.
>>>
>>> But not everyone is convinced. "I do think that the recommendation 
>>> to give low-fat milk at age 2 is sound advice," says Dr. Stephen 
>>> Daniels 
>>>
<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/medicalschool/departments/
>>> pe
>>> diat
>>> rics/people/bios/Pages/danielsbio.aspx> , a pediatrician at the
>>> University of Colorado and member of the AAP's Committee on
Nutrition.
>>>
>>> "I don't think the link between low-fat milk and higher weight makes

>>> much sense from a biological perspective," he says.
>>>
>>> Some of the earliest studies evaluating diets low in saturated fat 
>>> and cholesterol did find a link to less obesity among girls. And 
>>> Daniels points out that in the new study, the toddlers who were on 
>>> low-fat milk were already heavier.
>>>
>>> "This leaves open the real chance that parents may have been 
>>> choosing low-fat milk as a weight-management strategy for those who 
>>> were already overweight," Daniels says.
>>>
>>> Parents, if this leaves you confused, one thing to keep in mind is 
>>> that
>>> - whether it's whole, 2 percent or skim - milk is probably not a 
>>> major driver when it comes to childhood weight problems. Many 
>>> studies have shown that sugar-sweetened beverages play a much bigger

>>> role 
>>>
<http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/22/163260960/swapping-out-su
>>> ga
>>> ry-s
>>> oda-for-diet-drinks-may-help-tip-the-scale-in-your-favor>
>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:50:20 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
> Message-ID: <000001ce28fb$1c4c5530$54e4ff90$@gmail.com>
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>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10
> mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose levels increased and I lost
> energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks ago I came across an
interview
> with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled
"The
> cholesterol myth". They discussed the fact the statins reduced
co-enzyme
> q10
> in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find 
> quite
> a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic,
49, 
> HDL
> 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement
with
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going

> back
> to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling that
bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 18:54:03 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my
food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff
and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like
what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently
brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and
price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens
are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going 
> back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:58 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> beans -- and still do --
> is
> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
> considered
> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
right 
> out
> of a healthy cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> synthetic crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> things we consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>> on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>> the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>> can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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>>>>>> every saint has a past
>>>>>> every sinner has a future
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:04:06 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Hi, Bridgit.
>
> And I don't have a problem with such disagreements. But you can't get
> *one*
> of them to admit that they haven't a clue what the real answer is!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:44 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Like I said, it's always back and forth. Just when one study comes 
> out, another comes out contradicting the first.
>
> I recently heard three doctors during a radio interview address the 
> flu shot. All at the same time, in the same room during the same 
> interview, and each had a completely different view with what seemed 
> like good scientific support as to why their recommendation was the 
> right one. One urged all people to get one. One claimed only seniors 
> and those with chronic illnesses should get one, and one suggested it 
> didn't decrease anyone's chance of contracting the flu virus and 
> therefore shouldn't get one.
>
> I use this as an example displaying how even the medical community 
> can't agree and see eye-to-eye.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:17 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Actually, the fat in eggs is saturated fat, just like the fat in lard,

> whole milk, meat, or regular cheeses.  There are differences, but it's

> the same.
> I can't speak off the top of my head about the cholesterol in eggs and
> whether it's different, but I don't think so, since cholesterol is a
> particular compound.  But here again, in the beginning, it made sense
to
>
> think that fats and cholesterol made us fat, and that the cholesterol 
> we ate was what gave us high cholesterol levels in our bodies.  
> Unfortunately, we
> have now learned that almost always the cholesterol that gives you
high
> cholesterol is that which is made by your own liver, and dietary
> cholesterol
> has almost nothing to do with it at all!  Then we were told that okay,
> cholesterol's cool, but saturated fat, that's bad stuff.  But recent
> studies
> are pretty consistent in demonstrating that it's no worse for you than
> monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fat, and that the trick is to get
> enough
> fat without eating such huge amounts of food in a day that you gain
> weight.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
>>frequently.
>
>>But yes, portion control and exercise are key for everyone.
>>
>> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
>> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
>> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
>> avoid.
>>
>> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
>> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>>
>> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using 
>> real
>
>> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
>> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as 
>> much
>
>> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff.

>> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing

>> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>> evidence
>
>> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
>> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
>> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>>
>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>> with
>
>> the
>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>
>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>
>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic

>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>> represent all of you! :-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>> ground turkey around here.
>>
>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and 
>> I
>
>> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the

>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad 
>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>> people
>>
>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to

>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better

>>> for you
>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>> fresh
>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc.

>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>> kind
>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>> for
>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>> cut
>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight

>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>> habits.
>
>>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive 
>>> and
>
>>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>>> general.
>>
>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>> Baby,
>
>>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>>> and
>>
>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've

>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to

>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>> struggle, grin.
>>
>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely

>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>> meals.
>>
>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>> Just
>
>>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>
>>> Bridgit
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>> fill
>>
>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>> Had
>
>>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have

>>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for those who

>>>> can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:04:06 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Two of my sons work for Whole Foods -- home of the $50 grocery bag, 
> but there is something to "organic" food being better.  Since there is

> more room under the price curve, often suppliers and shippers are 
> quite a bit more careful with it.  In most cases, it has little to do 
> with how the food is grown, but it has everything to do with how it 
> gets from the plant to your plate.  If you pay extra, I'll bet you 
> take more care in cooking/preparation.  All sorts of interesting 
> effects which don't lend themselves to easy characterization.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already*
> is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means that
whatever 
> it
> is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who misuse
scientific
> terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to chemicals in my
food.
> Frankly, with the possible exception of such things as fresh
vegetables, I
> don't find quite the taste differences between so-called organic stuff
and
> what we normally buy in the store as aficionados do. It's sorta like
what
> happens when beer conoisseurs taste-test beers under scientific 
> conditions.
> With the exception of noticing the differences between differently
brewed
> beers, they most often can't tell the difference. It's the label and
price
> that stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens
are
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than
domestically-raised
> turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs;
> delish,
> smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the
> cholesterol
> contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. Foods high in
> saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too.
> This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful
> lot
> of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence in much
of 
> the
> medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some refried beans
made 
> with
> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to popular
> belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
> tortilla.
> This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to get used to
the
> lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the only one at the
gym 
> who
> knows what to do with my dog if anything should happen while over
there.
> I sure wouldn't want him to go to the pound.
> I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
>>> --
>>> --Dar
>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>   FB: dmgina
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:20:49 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced co-enzyme q10 in the body and 
> increased the BG levels. Checking the net, I did find quite a number 
> of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL is fantastic, 49, HDL 54,

> but I am having to increase my insulin dosage and now supplement with 
> co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I think I'm going

> back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I wasn't feeling 
> that bad. Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it! Grant
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:30:29 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> Well, yes, by basic definition. But I'm speaking of foods with very 
> little or nothing added. My husband and I use to eat regular eggs, but

> when we switched to organic, hormone-free eggs, we both immediately 
> noticed a difference. The same with meat and fruits and veggies.
>
> I also followed advice from doctors about this too, and while we don't

> eat everything organic, we try our best, and we try to avoid food with

> high sodium contents, corn syrup and high fats. Mostly, we don't like 
> the hormones added into most foods, and we try to avoid genetically 
> enhanced foods. We don't push our food opinions on others, nor do we 
> follow some crazy organic way of living. Through research, advice from

> others and our own personal experience, we have found eating a certain

> way to work for us. But again, we still indulge from time-to-time. 
> Like the basket of Easter candy sitting on the table, grin.
>
> And it's not just food for us, but like anything, it's all in 
> moderation.
>
> You can be wrong on both sides too, huge grin.
>
> Ultimately, if you're healthy, that's all that matters no matter how 
> you get there.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:54 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> My meaning is that *everything* that comes from animals or plants
> *already* is organic -- unless you like eating rocks! "Organic" means 
> that whatever it is has carbon in it. I'm heaping scorn upon those who

> misuse scientific terminology. And I have absolutely no objections to 
> chemicals in my food. Frankly, with the possible exception of such 
> things as fresh vegetables, I don't find quite the taste differences 
> between so-called organic stuff and what we normally buy in the store 
> as aficionados do. It's sorta like what happens when beer conoisseurs 
> taste-test beers under scientific conditions. With the exception of 
> noticing the differences between differently brewed beers, they most 
> often can't tell the difference. It's the label and price that 
> stimulates them! In fact, free-range or barnyard-raised chickens are 
> tougher -- just as wild turkey is a lot stringier than 
> domestically-raised turkey.
>
> But to each his/her own. Have fun paying far too much for the 
> satisfaction of misusing a word! (huge grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Ever had organic? It usually taste so much better. Try organic eggs; 
> delish, smile. And organic fresh fruits and veggies-- never going 
> back, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Organic? I'd better stop before my fingers type something profane!
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:36 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> I agree, though I still recommend not eating high fat foods 
> frequently. But yes, portion control and exercise are key for 
> everyone.
>
> And I was told that eggs are actually very good for you, and the 
> cholesterol contained in eggs is a good kind that is good for you. 
> Foods high in saturated fats have the bad cholesterol we are told to 
> avoid.
>
> Like I said, I believe in moderation, but don't think we should 
> completely cut anything from our diet if we enjoy it.
>
> And yes, lard is not as bad for you when in pure form. Like using real

> butter is better than margarine since real butter is not loaded with 
> synthetic properties. I use real forms of food and ingredients as much

> as possible since it usually doesn't have a bunch of synthetic stuff. 
> I also do organic as possible, which is basically what the lard thing 
> comes down too. This is why I'm making my own baby food, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term evidence

> in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give for some 
> refried beans made with real lard again! Actually, lard is quite 
> healthy, contrary to popular belief.
>
> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say with

> the
> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom diabetic 
> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
> represent all of you! :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like 
> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add 
> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
> ground turkey around here.
>
> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only 
> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and I

> actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> yes I sure agree with you,
> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to 
> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the 
> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to the 
> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain.
> Keep up the swell work.
>
> Original message:
>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>> people
>
>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs to 
>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start 
>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are better 
>> for you
>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
> fresh
>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, etc. 
>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
> kind
>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
> for
>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live 
>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your 
>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
> cut
>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain weight 
>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old habits.

>> Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more constructive and

>> productive when trying to lose weight and just healthy living in 
>> general.
>
>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with Baby,

>> smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from dealing 
>> and
>
>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding 
>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, I've 
>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need to 
>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>> struggle, grin.
>
>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm likely 
>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>> meals.
>
>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood 
>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. Just

>> another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>> Original message:
>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is 
>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>> fill
>
>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had 
>>> the
>
>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. Had

>>> dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until the 
>>> second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt so 
>>> tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also have 
>>> burning in the chest. I think this is from acid.
>>> Glad for those who can take it.
>>> I played the game now game is over.
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:33:38 -0500
> From: "Robert Shelton" <rshelton1 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a
sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class
kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at
least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of
one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds
struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all,
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the
net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL
is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage
and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I

> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I
wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:34:57 -0500
> From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
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> But all in moderation and with reason. No one here is doubting some 
> modern-day practices keeping food safe and free of grubs, grin. But 
> some of these chemicals and additives are not necessary.
>
> I don't like to go too far one direction or another, and I try to 
> research both sides of an issue. Ultimately, I don't think enough 
> research exist on any side. There are a lot of unknowns that just need

> a lot of investigation still.
>
> And I for one am not the poster child for granola living, smile. While

> I do practice some *certain* ways of living, I try to find balance. 
> More than anything, balance is what I find important.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:01 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola

> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut

> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get 
> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green 
> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still 
> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late as 
> the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via 
> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a healthy 
> cow.
>
> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
> us?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's 
> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, 
> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
> synthetic crap.
>
> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would 
> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
> safest,
>
> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
> things we consider
> food!) are just scary!
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why 
>>trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>have  ever happened.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in really

>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd rather 
>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around 
>> with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem

>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living 
>> on earth is fructose.  I
> know
>>
>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>> should never have been in our food!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>>> Sandi:
>>>
>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>> withover
>>
>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>> the
>
>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>
>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>> like
>
>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  In

>>> looking
>>>
>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat

>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough 
>>> to
>>
>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're no

>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>> case
>>
>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics 
>>> are better off eating
>>>
>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>> they
>
>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>
>>>
>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an 
>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give

>>>> for some refried beans
>> made
>>>> with
>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>> popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>> with the
>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>
>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>
>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>> diabetic
>>
>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like

>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add

>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use 
>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only

>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, 
>>>> and
>
>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>> to
>
>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the

>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything 
>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad

>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>> start
>
>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>> better
>>
>>>>> for you
>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>> fresh
>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>> etc.
>>
>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>> any
>>>> kind
>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>> allow
>>>> for
>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live

>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be 
>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever 
>>>>> your
>
>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>> can
>>>> cut
>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>> weight
>>
>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>
>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>> dealing and
>>>>
>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>> finding
>
>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>> I've
>>
>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need 
>>>>> to
>>
>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>
>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>> likely
>>
>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood

>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise. 
>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>
>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well. 
>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely 
>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to 
>>>>>> fill
>>>>
>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've had

>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>
>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening. 
>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until

>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt

>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also

>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for 
>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --Dar
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:35:28 -0400
> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: 2ca657de-241c-4693-8267-be60bf3cac4c at samobile.net
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could 
>> get Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green

>> beans -- and still do --
>> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was 
>> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
right 
>> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>> is over.
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:50:34 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> Message-ID: <018d01ce2903$864d59e0$92e80da0$@panix.com>
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> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a 
> long
> way.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of
> d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
> Food food food,
> Asking a question on behalf of food.
> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does 
> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes. 
> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for 
> breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
> just to have a meal?
> Thanks,
>
> Original message:
>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of 
>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one 
>> had to cut
> open
>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis 
>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and 
>> still do --
> is
>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
> considered
>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading 
>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk 
>> right
> out
>> of a healthy cow.
>
>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for 
>> us?
>
>> Mike
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's

>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any 
>> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America,

>> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives and 
>> synthetic crap.
>
>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would

>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws 
>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal 
>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and 
>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other 
>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few 
>> do.
>
>> Bridgit
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the 
>> safest,
>
>> best food supply in the world.  But that was a lie, too!  The things 
>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but 
>> things we consider
>> food!) are just scary!
>
>> Sandi
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why

>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't 
>>> have  ever happened.
>
>>> Bridgit
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir!  I don't believe saturated fat is 
>>> the problem in our food at all!  At least unless you eat it in 
>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component.  I'd 
>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed 
>>> around with!  A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the

>>> problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and

>>> living on earth is fructose.  I
>> know
>
>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and 
>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which 
>>> should never have been in our food!
>
>>> Sandi
>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>> Sandi:
>
>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis 
>>>> withover
>
>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between 
>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with 
>>>> the
>
>>>> consequences you cite below.
>
>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would 
>>>> like
>
>>>> to admit. (grin)
>
>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!  
>>>> In looking
>
>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the 
>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't 
>>>> enough to
>
>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!  We're 
>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding 
>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>
>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit! 
>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the 
>>>> case
>
>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with?  Generally, diabetics

>>>> are better off eating
>
>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because 
>>>> they
>
>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>
>>>> Sandi
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an

>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term 
>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd 
>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>> made
>>>>> with
>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to 
>>>>> popular belief.
>
>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>
>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>
>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom 
>>>>> diabetic
>
>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to 
>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>
>>>>> Mike
>
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different 
>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when 
>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We 
>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>
>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I 
>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during 
>>>>> pregnancy, and
>
>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>
>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain 
>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying 
>>>>> to
>
>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am 
>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if 
>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him 
>>>>> to go to the
>
>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. 
>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told 
>>>>>> people
>
>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a 
>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, 
>>>>>> start
>
>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are 
>>>>>> better
>
>>>>>> for you
>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>> fresh
>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima, 
>>>>>> etc.
>
>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>> kind
>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so 
>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do 
>>>>>> allow
>>>>> for
>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't 
>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it

>>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever

>>>>>> your
>
>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>> cut
>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain 
>>>>>> weight
>
>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old 
>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more 
>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just 
>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>
>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with 
>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from 
>>>>>> dealing and
>
>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough 
>>>>>> finding
>
>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow, 
>>>>>> I've
>
>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need

>>>>>> to
>
>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long 
>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>
>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm 
>>>>>> likely
>
>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after 
>>>>>> meals.
>
>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low 
>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of 
>>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>
>>>>>> Bridgit
>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>
>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.

>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience.  This opinion is completely

>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug 
>>>>>>> is
>
>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to

>>>>>>> fill
>
>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases.  My sympathies.  We've 
>>>>>>> had the
>
>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On

>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>
>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.

>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game 
>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow.

>>>>>>> I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back 
>>>>>>> again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is from 
>>>>>>> acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now game

>>>>>>> is over.
>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --Dar
>>>>>>> skype: dmgina23
>>>>>>>   FB: dmgina
>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>>>>>>> every saint has a past
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>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:53:19 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
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> Hey Robert!
>
> Do you think Wonderbread helps strong bodies grow eight ways or twelve
> ways?
> In the late '40's and early '50's, the ads said eight ways; then they
> changed to twelve. (grin)
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:34 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Hi Bridgit.  I'm not disagreeing with you.  I don't even much care for
> milk
> of any kind now, but that's just a personal preference.  I'm not smart
> enough to know whether skim milk is better.  We fed our boys 2% as a
sort 
> of
> compromise, but I was raised on 4%, just like every other middle class
kid
> in the 50/s -- "You never outgrow your need for milk) -- whatever that
> meant.
>
> I do think that exercise has been pretty important for me.  My parents
> both
> had very serious health issues by the time they were my age, and at
least 
> so
> far, so good.  I can hear Mike already -- "study with sample size of
one."
> Yes, I know, we all have opinions on issues that our wisest minds
struggle
> to understand.
>
> So, I'm going to enjoy the fratitas I smell from our kitchen.  To all,
> have
> a great evening and a great week.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:21 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> Well, yeah, but even when I was a kid. My family was always active, 
> and I danced, but I was considered underweight despite that.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:50 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> Yep, but you exercise, as I'm sure Grant did growing up on a farm -- 
> all kinds of exercise.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:25 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
> On the milk subject, I've always drank skim, and I've always been 
> underweight. So... Seems it may depend on the individual.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Grant E. Metcalf
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:33 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] whole milk and cholesterol
>
>
> As a kid growing up on the farm I had lots of whole milk and was never

> overweight--maybe just a bit crazy and hyper. Still less than 50 
> pounds at age 8. As for the cholesterol issue, recently my doctor put 
> me on atorvastatin, 10 mg daily. I noticed that my blood glucose 
> levels increased and I lost energy. Co-incidentally, a couple of weeks

> ago I came across an interview with Dr. Steve Sinatra and Johnny 
> Bowden who co-wrote a book entitled "The cholesterol myth". They 
> discussed the fact the statins reduced
> co-enzyme q10 in the body and increased the BG levels. Checking the
net, I
> did find quite a number of discussions regarding these facts. My LDL
is
> fantastic, 49, HDL 54, but I am having to increase my insulin dosage
and 
> now
> supplement with co-Q10. And my LDL wasn't that bad before, only 105. I

> think
> I'm going back to no statins for myself. It will cost less and I
wasn't
> feeling that bad.
> Again, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
> Grant
>
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