[Diabetes-talk] victoza
d m gina
dmgina at samobile.net
Tue Mar 26 02:38:13 UTC 2013
I know what I can do, so wasn't worry for me, just wanted to know
having tips on what folks do.
I don't stay in hotels often, when we do we have eaten either around
the hotel area places we knew would be cheaper.
Or ate at the hotel.
I didn't know what you could do with just a fridge with no wave.
Then if you go to lunch with someone you sure don't want to have lots
of left over food.
Original message:
> Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for breakfast!
> Yum!
> Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture --
> Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for what
> diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a few
> suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes. Each
> diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics of the
> same "type" are affected differently by different foods except that for all
> of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For instance, I can
> eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the effect is just about
> what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But I know someone else whose
> bg readings would go through the roof with such a sandwich. Again, many can
> drink milk without difficulty. But unless I'm careful, milk can drive my
> readings far beyond what's reasonable. Different strokes and all that.
> Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos for
> quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention meal. Since
> I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal insulin at night and
> give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat two humongous meals --
> breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at the hotel. Yes, it's
> expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My breakfasts are the sort that
> orthodox diabetes educators would have a heart attack over -- lots of bacon,
> eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos and some fruit (seldom juices as one gets
> too many carbs too quickly that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If
> there's a good sandwich place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.
> Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I usually
> don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not the way you
> would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then make your own
> decisions.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
> m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.
> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a long
> way.
>> Mike
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast?
>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of "granola
>>> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis from
>>> pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>>> Mike
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff, it's
>>> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any craze,
>>> but what is allowed to be placed in food including in America, it makes
>>> you never want to eat anything processed with additives and synthetic
>>> crap.
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many would
>>> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or laws
>>> regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a Federal
>>> mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and restaurants
>>> usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other places. If a
>>> state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>>> Bridgit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the safest,
>>> best food supply in the world. But that was a lie, too! The things in
>>> most
>>> processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but things we
>>> consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>>> Sandi
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to why
>>>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that shouldn't
>>>> have ever happened.
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir! I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all! At least unless you eat it in really
>>>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component. I'd rather
>>>> eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed around
>>>> with! A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that the problem
>>>> with increased diabetes,
>>>> obesity, heart disease, cancer, and living on earth is fructose. I
>>> know
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been
>>>> in our food!
>>>> Sandi
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with the
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would like
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing! In
>>>>> looking
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the fat
>>>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't enough
>>>>> to
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day! We're no
>>>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with? Generally, diabetics
>>>>> are better off eating
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because they
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's an
>>>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd give
>>>>>> for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different like
>>>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you add
>>>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually use
>>>>>> ground turkey around here.
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I only
>>>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during pregnancy, and
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying to
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am the
>>>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if anything
>>>>>> should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him to go to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening. Glad
>>>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise needs
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One, start
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't live
>>>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it be
>>>>>>> chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips-- whatever your
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough finding
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low blood
>>>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience. This opinion is completely
>>>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of drug is
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach to
>>>>>>>> fill
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases. My sympathies. We've had
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game until
>>>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I felt
>>>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I also
>>>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad for
>>>>>>>> those who can take it. I played the game now game is over.
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