[Diabetes-talk] victoza
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Tue Mar 26 02:54:46 UTC 2013
Left-over food? What's *that?* (grin)
I may make an inquiry re refrigerators at the main hotel; I don't recall
reading anything about them in the Monitor when room amenities were
described. I can live a long time on peanuts, cashoos, apples and cold
canned chili (Nalley's Jalapeño Hot)! Yee haw!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of d
m gina
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:38 PM
To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
I know what I can do, so wasn't worry for me, just wanted to know having
tips on what folks do.
I don't stay in hotels often, when we do we have eaten either around the
hotel area places we knew would be cheaper.
Or ate at the hotel.
I didn't know what you could do with just a fridge with no wave.
Then if you go to lunch with someone you sure don't want to have lots of
left over food.
Original message:
> Yeah ... why not? Heck; I've been known to scarf down pizza for breakfast!
> Yum!
> Actually, though, it sounds as if it's about time for my YMMV lecture
> -- Your Mileage May Vary. Dar, I know you want hard-and-fast rules for
> what diabetics should eat when and how much. You've received quite a
> few suggestions but they should be taken as guidelines, not absolutes.
> Each diabetic is different from every other diabetic -- even diabetics
> of the same "type" are affected differently by different foods except
> that for all of us, carbs raise blood sugar in most circumstances. For
> instance, I can eat a giant peanut butter and mayo sandwich and the
> effect is just about what I expect, predictable by the carb load. But
> I know someone else whose bg readings would go through the roof with
> such a sandwich. Again, many can drink milk without difficulty. But
> unless I'm careful, milk can drive my readings far beyond what's
reasonable. Different strokes and all that.
> Given that caution, here's what I do. I have a jar or two of cashoos
> for quick snacks or if I know I won't be able to eat a convention
> meal. Since I'm on an intense insulin regimen, I only take a basal
> insulin at night and give myself shots of rapid-acting at meals. I eat
> two humongous meals -- breakfast and dinner -- and usually just eat at
> the hotel. Yes, it's expensive but that's life in the fast lane. My
> breakfasts are the sort that orthodox diabetes educators would have a
> heart attack over -- lots of bacon, eggs, sausage and a *few* potatos
> and some fruit (seldom juices as one gets too many carbs too quickly
> that way). I often don't worry about lunch. If there's a good sandwich
place in the hotel, I'll eat lunch there.
> Although in the past I've bought milk, bread and peanut butter, I
> usually don't want to be bothered with it. But that is probably not
> the way you would want to eat. So read what everyone writes and then
> make your own decisions.
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of d m gina
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:57 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
> OK that is what you do for lunch?
> Are you saying breakfast as well?
> Don't think I would want that for breakfast giggle.
> Original message:
>> A loaf of bread and a jar of natural peanut butter will take you a
>> long
> way.
>> Mike
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of
> d
>> m gina
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 7:35 PM
>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> Food food food,
>> Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and potatoes.
>> Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of serial for
>> breakfast?
>> Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with you?
>> How much cheese sticks do you bring with you?
>> To make sure you have enough until you get to the destenation?
>> Is there a corner cafe you can go to that won't take all you brought
>> just to have a meal?
>> Thanks,
>> Original message:
>>> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>>> "granola bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one
>>> had to cut
>> open
>>> and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get Trichanosis
>>> from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green beans -- and
>>> still do --
>> is
>>> to avoid botulism. And I can still remember when iodized salt was
>> considered
>>> a miracle. And as late as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading
>>> tuberculosis was via "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk
>>> right
>> out
>>> of a healthy cow.
>>> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin for us?
>>> Mike
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
> Of
>>> Bridgit Pollpeter
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>>> it's quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in
>>> any craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>>> America, it makes you never want to eat anything processed with
>>> additives and synthetic crap.
>>> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>>> would like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or
>>> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a
>>> Federal mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets and
>>> restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or other
>>> places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but very few do.
>>> Bridgit
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>>> safest,
>>> best food supply in the world. But that was a lie, too! The things
>>> in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about additives, but
>>> things we consider
>>> food!) are just scary!
>>> Sandi
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>>>> why trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>>>> shouldn't have ever happened.
>>>> Bridgit
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir! I don't believe saturated fat is
>>>> the problem in our food at all! At least unless you eat it in
>>>> really large amounts--but that's true of almost any component. I'd
>>>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>>>> around with! A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that
>>>> the problem with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease,
>>>> cancer, and living on earth is fructose. I
>>> know
>>>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>>>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>>>> should never have been in our food!
>>>> Sandi
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>> Sandi:
>>>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>>>>> withover
>>>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>>>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target with
>>>>> the
>>>>> consequences you cite below.
>>>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>>>>> like
>>>>> to admit. (grin)
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>>>>> In looking
>>>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>>>>> fat in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>>>>> enough to
>>>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day! We're
>>>>> no longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>>>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more fat.
>>>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without limit!
>>>>> Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size and--in the
>>>>> case
>>>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with? Generally,
>>>>> diabetics are better off eating
>>>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>>>>> they
>>>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>>>>>> an awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>>>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>>>>>> give for some refried beans
>>>> made
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>>>>>> popular belief.
>>>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to say
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>>>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>>>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>>>>>> diabetic
>>>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>>>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>>>>>> like black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when
>>>>>> you add meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We
>>>>>> usually use ground turkey around here.
>>>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>>>>>> only gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>>>>>> pregnancy, and
>>>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>>>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta grain
>>>>>> tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I am trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>>>>>> the only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>>>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want him
>>>>>> to go to the
>>>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>>>>>> Glad you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I told
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>>>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>>>>>>> dairy,
>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and lima,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity of
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is so
>>>>>>> difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I do
>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>>>>>>> live without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether
>>>>>>> it be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips--
>>>>>>> whatever your
>>>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight, you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>>>>>>> weight
>>>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>>>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>>>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and just
>>>>>>> healthy living in general.
>>>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise with
>>>>>>> Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day just from
>>>>>>> dealing and
>>>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>>>>>>> finding
>>>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh. Somehow,
>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a life-long
>>>>>>> struggle, grin.
>>>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity after
>>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>>>>>>> blood sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
exercise.
>>>>>>> Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>>>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty well.
>>>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience. This opinion is
>>>>>>>> completely uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this
>>>>>>>> class of drug is
>>>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>>>>>>>> to fill
>>>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases. My sympathies. We've
>>>>>>>> had the
>>>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>>>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this evening.
>>>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>>>>>>>> until the second one decides to settle. Will call over
>>>>>>>> tomorrow. I felt so tired, really drained. I want my happy self
>>>>>>>> back again. I also have burning in the chest. I think this is
>>>>>>>> from acid. Glad for those who can take it. I played the game now
game is over.
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