[Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 26 18:24:14 UTC 2013
Wow, that's crazy. I'm assuming it's not the same for type ones? Again,
I have never noticed higher sugars when drinking diet stuff, but this
really puts it all into perspective.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:49 AM
To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
The problem with diet drinks is that your body prepares, when something
sweet comes along, by cranking out insulin. In the case of diet pop,
the
sugar doesn't come, and the insulin, in Type 2's, is set circulating in
the
blood with nothing to use it up. The cells don't need it to help them
work
through glucose (since none came in), and this process, repeated again
and
again leads to insulin resistance--the basis of much of Type 2 diabetes.
Sandi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Sugar drinks
> I've heard research discussed stating that it's not the sugar that's
> the problem with diet drinks, it's the sweet taste that causes the
> body to react like the body is getting sugar even though that's not
> actually the case.
>
> On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:
>
>> You mention not drinking sugar drinks, and this makes me think of
>> something. Is this really a problem for diabetics? Of course this is
>> rhetorical, but what's the problem with diet drinks? Maybe it's
>> because I've been diabetic since the age of four, but I always opt
>> for diet drinks or water. I know so many diabetics who don't do this,
>> and I guess I don't understand why it's such a big deal. I always
>> assumed it was a given a diabetic would avoid the sugary drinks but
>> guess not... And it's kind of like alcohol, it's empty calories, and
>> I'd rather spend calories on actual food than a drink, grin.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:00 AM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> Last year my husband and I drove to convention. We brought along a
>> big cooler full of eggs, some bacon, salad veggies, little pouches of
>> chicken, ham, etc., and we brought along our Keurig single-cup
>> coffeemaker and a tiny
>> electric frying pan. We replenished food as needed at local grocery
>> stores
>> and ate breakfast and lunch in our room. At dinner we went out to a
>> local
>> restaurant and enjoyed reasonable food.
>>
>> If you didn't drive, you could probably ship the cooler, pan, and any
>> canned goods ahead, then buy food when you get there. The fridge is
>> an even better
>> idea.
>>
>> If you want to eat breakfast and lunch out and not have the hassle of
>> making your own food, you can usually get eggs or cereal or an
>> English muffin, etc.
>> from room service or the restaurant, though hotel food is horribly
>> expensive. And there's usually a good place to get a salad for
lunch,
>> or a
>> grilled chicken or burger sandwich. I always figure the trick for me
is
>> not
>> to just go all out, have dessert with every meal, eat huge portions,
and
>>
>> come home with high blood sugar and a tighter waistband. Eat what
>> you like, but stay aware of portions. In my opinion, skipping French
>> fries and sugary
>> drinks goes a long way in that direction!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>>
>>
>> > It can get pricey if you eat out all the time. We usually pack
>> > food, and the last time we went, we had food shipped ahead of us.
>> > We brought
>>
>> > things like granola bars, pretzels, water, juice, bread and
>> > lunchmeat and cheese. Also check into local eateries to find out
>> > prices. Some people treat it like a vaca and eat out for every
>> > meal, while others prefer to save on the expense of food. It's all
>> > what you prefer. Most rooms do have a mini fridge, and most places
>> > will provide one if you request it. Since I have insulin, I
>> > typically get one since it needs to be kept in the fridge. This
>> > means I can keep food in it as well, smile.
>> >
>> > Bridgit
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf Of d m gina
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 9:35 PM
>> > To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> > Food food food,
>> > Asking a question on behalf of food.
>> > What do all of you do when you are on convention.
>> > I know what Mike does for one of the evenings, watches what he does
>> > threw out the day then off he goes for the lovely stake and
>> > potatoes. Do you go find a place for the wonderful egg, or bowl of
>> > serial for breakfast? Do you buy the gronala bar bringing it with
>> > you? How much cheese sticks do you bring with you? To make sure you
>> > have enough until you get to the destenation? Is there a corner
>> > cafe you can go to
>>
>> > that won't take all you brought just to have a meal? Thanks,
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> >> Before this gets too crazy and sounding like we're a bunch of
>> >> "granola
>> >
>> >> bars", permit me to point out that before insecticides, one had to
>> >> cut
>> >
>> >> open and examine *every* apple to avoid worms, you could get
>> >> Trichanosis from pork and the reason you boiled hell out of green
>> >> beans -- and still do -- is to avoid botulism. And I can still
>> >> remember when iodized salt was considered a miracle. And as late
>> >> as the 1920's, one of the means of spreading tuberculosis was via
>> >> "natural" -- that is, non-Pasteurized -- milk right out of a
>> >> healthy cow.
>> >
>> >> And dare I remind us all that bacteria make our "human" insulin
>> >> for us?
>> >
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:35 PM
>> >> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >> Oh, I know. When you really take time to investigate this stuff,
>> >> it's
>>
>> >> quite appalling. Like anything, you can't get to caught up in any
>> >> craze, but what is allowed to be placed in food including in
>> >> America,
>>
>> >> it makes you never want to eat anything processed with additives
>> >> and synthetic crap.
>> >
>> >> And our food handling practices aren't as sophisticated as many
>> >> would
>>
>> >> like to think. Only a handful of states have any guidelines or
>> >> laws regulating food transportation and distribution. It's not a
>> >> Federal mandate like we think. Food being transported to markets
>> >> and restaurants usually has no one checking at weigh stations or
>> >> other places. If a state chooses to practice this, it does, but
>> >> very few do.
>> >
>> >> Bridgit
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:01 PM
>> >> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >> During my education, I was taught that the United States has the
>> >> safest,
>> >
>> >> best food supply in the world. But that was a lie, too! The
>> >> things in most processed foods (and I'm not talking about
>> >> additives, but things we consider
>> >> food!) are just scary!
>> >
>> >> Sandi
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 6:49 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> I agree with the trans fats and fructose. It's interesting as to
>> >>> why
>>
>> >>> trans fats were added into foods, and it's something that
>> >>> shouldn't have ever happened.
>> >
>> >>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26 PM
>> >>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>> Uh, I was agreeing with you, sir! I don't believe saturated fat
>> >>> is the problem in our food at all! At least unless you eat it in
>> >>> really
>> >
>> >>> large amounts--but that's true of almost any component. I'd
>> >>> rather eat the real food, not the food manufacturers have screwed
>> >>> around with! A book I'm currently reading is convincing me that
>> >>> the problem
>> >
>> >>> with increased diabetes, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and
>> >>> living on earth is fructose. I
>> >> know
>> >
>> >>> that since I've pretty much given up sugar, I'm a lot happier and
>> >>> healthier, and I have not given up fat, except trans fats, which
>> >>> should never have been in our food!
>> >
>> >>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:08 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi:
>> >
>> >>>> I can show you (or anyone else) a study done by meta-analysis
>> >>>> withover
>> >
>> >>>> 300,000 subjects that could find *no* -- yes, no -- link between
>> >>>> saturated fat and heart disease. Fat was just an easy target
>> >>>> with the
>> >
>> >>>> consequences you cite below.
>> >
>> >>>> Nutrition is far more complex than even most nutritionists would
>> >>>> like
>> >
>> >>>> to admit. (grin)
>> >
>> >>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:00 AM
>> >>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>> The curmudgeon in this Registered Dietitian says the same thing!
>> >>>> In
>> >
>> >>>> looking
>> >
>> >>>> at refried beans several years ago, I discovered that, while the
>> >>>> fat
>> >
>> >>>> in refried beans is saturated (lard, duh!), there just isn't
>> >>>> enough
>>
>> >>>> to
>> >
>> >>>> worry about, unless you're eating cans of the beans a day!
>> >>>> We're no
>> >
>> >>>> longer touting low-fat (I never did!), and people are finding
>> >>>> themselves much less hungry eating fewer carbs and a bit more
>> >>>> fat.
>> >
>> >>>> Please note that this is not permission to eat fat without
>> >>>> limit! Mike is absolutely correct--the issue is portion size
>> >>>> and--in the case
>> >
>> >>>> of fat--what have they replaced the fat with? Generally,
>> >>>> diabetics
>>
>> >>>> are better off eating
>> >
>> >>>> regular foods, not those specially made as "diet foods," because
>> >>>> they
>> >
>> >>>> are lower in fat but higher in carbs--particularly sugars!
>> >
>> >>>> Sandi
>> >
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:09 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> The curmudgeon in me says: so what if they're high-fat? There's
>> >>>>> an
>>
>> >>>>> awful lot of preachiness and precious little actual long-term
>> >>>>> evidence in much of the medical orthodoxy these days. What I'd
>> >>>>> give
>> >
>> >>>>> for some refried beans
>> >>> made
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> real lard again! Actually, lard is quite healthy, contrary to
>> >>>>> popular belief.
>> >
>> >>>>> The case of eggs should be instructive and cause all of us to
>> >>>>> say with the
>> >>>>> bible: prove me now herewith!
>> >
>> >>>>> The key is portion control and, yes, exercise.
>> >
>> >>>>> But I'll stop there as I do not want to drive those for whom
>> >>>>> diabetic
>> >
>> >>>>> orthodoxy works from this list. After all, you've elected me to
>> >>>>> represent all of you! :-)
>> >
>> >>>>> Mike
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>> Do you make burritos with refried beans or something different
>> >>>>> like
>> >
>> >>>>> black beans? Refried beans are really high in fat. And when you
>> >>>>> add
>> >
>> >>>>> meat back in, you can do lean beef or lean turkey. We usually
>> >>>>> use ground turkey around here.
>> >
>> >>>>> I was lucky and didn't gain much weight during my pregnancy. I
>> >>>>> only
>> >
>> >>>>> gained abut 20 pounds. I continued to exercise during
>> >>>>> pregnancy, and
>> >
>> >>>>> I actually ate probably the healthiest I ever have, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>> >>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>> yes I sure agree with you,
>> >>>>> We do all of the above, making burritoes as well with malta
>> >>>>> grain tortilla. This time with no meat, beeing Lent for us. I
>> >>>>> am trying to
>> >
>> >>>>> get used to the lower numbers, where taking it slowly when I am
>> >>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>> only one at the gym who knows what to do with my dog if
>> >>>>> anything should happen while over there. I sure wouldn't want
>> >>>>> him to go to the
>> >
>> >>>>> pound. I was told to lose the weight slowly this is happening.
>> >>>>> Glad
>> >
>> >>>>> you lost allot of your baby gain. Keep up the swell work.
>> >
>> >>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>> When I worked as a fitness instructor and ballet dancer, I
>> >>>>>> told people
>> >
>> >>>>>> to not look at losing weight as a diet because this implies a
>> >>>>>> temporary state of living when food, nutrition and exercise
>> >>>>>> needs
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> become an entire lifestyle adjustment that is permanent. One,
>> >>>>>> start
>> >
>> >>>>>> eating healthy portions. This is key. Two, eat foods that are
>> >>>>>> better
>> >
>> >>>>>> for you
>> >>>>>> nutritionally: whole wheat and grains, lean meats, low-fat
>> >>>>>> dairy,
>> >>>>> fresh
>> >>>>>> fruits and veggies, beans like chickpeas and garbanzo and
>> >>>>>> lima, etc.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Three, exercise needs to be a part of daily living. Activity
>> >>>>>> of any
>> >>>>> kind
>> >>>>>> to get the heart rate up and then toning. We act like this is
>> >>>>>> so difficult, but when you think about it, it's really not. I
>> >>>>>> do allow
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>> one day a week when you can eat what ever food you just can't
>> >>>>>> live
>> >
>> >>>>>> without, though still in a moderate portion size. Whether it
>> >>>>>> be chocolate, buffalo wings, fast-food, cookies, chips--
>> >>>>>> whatever your
>> >
>> >>>>>> pleasure is. If needing to lose a large quantity of weight,
>> >>>>>> you can
>> >>>>> cut
>> >>>>>> back on calories, but in order to remain healthy and maintain
>> >>>>>> weight
>> >
>> >>>>>> loss, you can't yo-yo diet or lose weight then go back to old
>> >>>>>> habits. Adjusting our mindsets to a lifestyle change is more
>> >>>>>> constructive and productive when trying to lose weight and
>> >>>>>> just healthy living in general.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Having said all that, I'm finding it difficult to exercise
>> >>>>>> with Baby, smile. I get a lot of physical activity in a day
>> >>>>>> just from dealing and
>> >
>> >>>>>> playing with him, but to actually exercise, boy, it's tough
>> >>>>>> finding
>> >
>> >>>>>> the time especially time when I'm not exhausted, sigh.
>> >>>>>> Somehow, I've
>> >
>> >>>>>> managed to lose almost all the weight in seven months, but I
>> >>>>>> need
>>
>> >>>>>> to
>> >
>> >>>>>> work on the toning again. Something tells me this is a
>> >>>>>> life-long struggle, grin.
>> >
>> >>>>>> And of course, we all here have to consider our diabetes. I'm
>> >>>>>> likely
>> >
>> >>>>>> to drop when exercising, so I try to do physical activity
>> >>>>>> after meals.
>> >
>> >>>>>> I test before and after too, but it can be crummy when a low
>> >>>>>> blood
>> >
>> >>>>>> sugar, or high one for that matter, gets in the way of
>> >>>>>> exercise. Just another level to our daily life, sigh.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Bridgit
>> >
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>> On Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:46 PM
>> >>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >
>> >>>>>> Did she get off of it rite away?
>> >>>>>> There are so many ways to get weight off, I am doing pretty
>> >>>>>> well.
>>
>> >>>>>> Holding my own. I hope it isn't a long night.
>> >
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Linda had a very similar experience. This opinion is
>> >>>>>>> completely
>>
>> >>>>>>> uninformed by facts, but I almost think that this class of
>> >>>>>>> drug is
>> >
>> >>>>>>> almost like a chemical lapband in that it causes your stomach
>> >>>>>>> to
>>
>> >>>>>>> fill
>> >
>> >>>>>>> quickly -- very quickly in some cases. My sympathies. We've
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >
>> >>>>>>> same experience here, and it's not very pleasant.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>> On
>>
>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of d m gina
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:32 PM
>> >>>>>>> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] victoza
>> >
>> >>>>>>> I started the encrease last night, taking it again this
>> >>>>>>> evening.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Had dinner then gave it all back. I'm not playing this game
>> >>>>>>> until
>> >
>> >>>>>>> the second one decides to settle. Will call over tomorrow. I
>> >>>>>>> felt
>> >
>> >>>>>>> so tired, really drained. I want my happy self back again. I
>> >>>>>>> also
>> >
>> >>>>>>> have burning in the chest. I think this is from acid. Glad
>> >>>>>>> for those who can take it. I played the game now game is
>> >>>>>>> over.
>> >
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> --Dar
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>> >>>>>>> FB: dmgina
>> >>>>>>> www.twitter.com/dmgina
>> >>>>>>> every saint has a past
>> >>>>>>> every sinner has a future
>> >
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