[Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Tue Sep 17 22:48:39 UTC 2013

You know, I'm not convinced that the so-called "remission" of diabetes that
occurs with these procedures is due to the dietary restrictions. In april,
2009, I had a partial colectomy because I had early colon cancer. After I
came home, my insulin requirements went way, way down and until I figured
this out, I ran in the 70's all day. Now this makes absolutely *no* sense in
that one doesn't absorb nutrients from the lower intestine or colon; yet it
happened. After a few weeks, my insulin requirement went back up to what it
was before the surgery. So there's more going on here than the medicos have
figured out.

BTW, they got all the cancer so you're stuck with me for some time to come!
(grin)

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandi Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:58 PM
To: Bill Lewis; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

Actually, Bill, I'd not recommend banding now.  It's day has kind of come
and gone.  However, gastric bypass and the gastric sleeve are options that
really do help people control weight who just can't do it any other way--and
the advantage, at least with bypass, is that diabetes goes away or gets much
easier to control, blood pressure, cholesterol, and other things go to
normal, and it is actually seen in many medical circles as the panacea we're
all looking for.

The two procedures are not available for people whose weight is not quite
high, and over a period of years there is some weight increase.  But it is
certainly medically/surgically optional.  Having said all that, it's darned
annoying, too, because there's a rather long phase of adjustment to tiny
amounts of food and liquid, which comes with vomiting and diarrhea and other
unpleasant side effects for a while.  And I don't mean a week or two,
either.

The gastric bands are going out of favor because they tend not to be as
effective, being adjustable, and they can move and cause damage during
exercise.

Sandi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Lewis" <wlewis19 at cox.net>
To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic

>
>
>
> Hi.  Regarding weight loss, would a recommendation for stomach banding 
> surgery be stretching credulity?  (gri n)  A friend of my son used to have

> a compulstion for eating.  Diets did not work, because he always felt 
> hungry, so would sneak food.  Finally he had the stomch banding surgery. 
> Several years later now, he is slim, trim, physically fit, and happy, and 
> has finally found a significant other who thinks he is great.  No, I'm not

> stretching the truth either.  Bill Lewis
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Cindy Ray
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:22 AM
> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>
> Well, for one thing, it is all generalities on Dr. Oz's show. He doesn't 
> know you or your body, yo ur situation or anything else about you. You can

> learn from him and it can help you to ask questions. Also, many things in 
> the medical field, and in dietetics in particularly, are quite 
> controversial. So at the end of the day you have to monitor your body and 
> see what is working best for your health, I think.
>
> Cindy Lou
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually caught an episode not that long ago at my mother-in-laws, and
>> he was refuting certain endorsements. I guess some companies have
>> claimed he is endorsing them when in reality he isn't. I would still
>> proceed with caution if thinking of taking to heart everything you hear
>> on his show or website though.
>>
>> Bridgit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:59 PM
>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>
>>
>> Except for the fact that he is a good doctor, I think he is borderline
>> sensational fraud myself to be really honest. There was something he was
>> trying to get me to buy once to lose weight, or rather they were using
>> him as a reason. Sometimes, I think he really doesn't endorse the stuff
>> so much as show it and people think he is endorsing it. He did endorse
>> Weight Watchers a year or so ago though.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you agree with Dr. Oz about?  Every time I watch him he
>>> recommends several dietary supplements, some kind of weird shake or
>>> smoothie, or the latest seed that's found edible.  I've never found
>>> anything Dr. Oz won't push on his program.  He even says one day that
>>> he doesn't buy into a thing, then has someone on the show the next to
>>> push it.  I believe he's a great doctor--but I certainly don't trust
>>> him!  He's one of the media doctors pushing everything that seems to
>>> be relevant based on one study.
>>>
>>> Sorry--I just think you need to know the truth.  Now you can agree
>>> with him and make your own choices, but at least you know what he's
>>> actually doing.
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: "Diabetes Talk for the Blind" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 1:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree with doctor Oz.
>>>> keep up the good work.
>>>>
>>>> Dar
>>>> Every saint has a past,
>>>> Every sinner has a future
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But I love Dr. Ozzzzzz!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, just had to do this.
>>>>> CL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:10 AM, "Sandi Ryan" <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly!  And when doctors and other health professionals are
>>>>>> recommending this or that, they are often basing it on their best
>>>>>> conjecture or on the results of one or a few studies, just as we do
>>
>>>>>> when we read things and follow them on that basis.  And remember
>>>>>> that, while the FDA's panel that approves drugs and foods is
>>>>>> expert, they are not experts in everything.  As a speaker at a
>>>>>> commencement at Harvard Medical School in the 80s said "You can
>>>>>> leave here knowing that about 10% of what we taught you here is
>>>>>> fact. The problem is, none of us knows which 10%."  Most people get
>>
>>>>>> their beliefs from the media (including media doctors who interpret
>>
>>>>>> study findings), and most media reports are based on what's been
>>>>>> discovered in one study by one group of researchers, and touted as
>>>>>> fact.  And many times, when further study shows the opposite, it is
>>
>>>>>> ignored, or the public has come to believe so strongly in the first
>>
>>>>>> study that no amount of evidence to the contrary can change minds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter"
>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the medical community and FDA are always changing their
>>>>>>> minds about what is good and what isn't. For years we were told to
>>
>>>>>>> limit caffeine consumption, but recently, I hear everywhere that
>>>>>>> massive amounts of caffeine are good for you. Okay, perhaps
>>>>>>> massive is an exaggeration, grin, but seriously, I saw one
>>>>>>> interview where multiple cups of coffee were being recommended.
>>>>>>> Just a couple of years ago the medical community would have
>>>>>>> admonished you for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I agree with have to proceed withcaution when it comes to these
>>
>>>>>>> reports and not jump on bandwagons. I recall a decade ago when
>>>>>>> low-carb diets were all the rage, and everyone was sure this was
>>>>>>> the way to lose weight and eat in general. Now we know that a
>>>>>>> balance diet including complex carbs is much better than low-carb
>>>>>>> or no-carb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think balance is key, and watching consumption amounts and what
>>>>>>> we eat does more than following current trends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know. Frankly, I don't buy any of it. There are too many
>>>>>>> variables to draw such conclusions IMHO. Remember also that more
>>>>>>> fiber was supposed to lessen the risk of colon cancer but that
>>>>>>> also has been called into question. Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 17:50, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In meat? Okay, what about so-called organic meat? Like the stuff
>>>>>>>> void of man-made preservatives and additives and all that junk?
>>>>>>>> Guess I haven't heard this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He is probably worried about supposed colon cancer risk. Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:59, Bridgit Pollpeter
>>>>>>>> <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why avoid meat? I know too much protein can actually affect
>>>>>>>>> glucose levels, but usually protein is recommended because
>>>>>>>>> protein is what stabilizes blood sugars. I know protein can be
>>>>>>>>> found in food other than meat, but I've never heard you should
>>>>>>>>> avoid meat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bridgit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:36 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Diabetes Talk for the Blind
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Recently DXED Pre-Diabetic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Vicky, my name is Bill Lewis, and I want to share with you
>>>>>>>>> the importance of our following the basics of glucose control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is an old and famous saying that "He who does not
>>>>>>>>> understand his
>>>>>>>
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