[Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

Fri Apr 24 21:52:47 UTC 2015

Amen, Sandy!
I think one of the important lessons here could be this. When people attempt
to educate us and shape our behavior with respect to food, the tendancy is
to scare, scold and/or give orders. And then they wonder why people are
labeled as noncompliant. I think it's really important to start with
learning what has been responsible for pleasure and find a way to address
the total picture in a way that minimizes the feelings of guilt and denial.
For me the approaches that seem to help are those that say, your body is
valuable and deserves good stuff. That and okay, I now have a body that may
not let me get away with some of my past approaches or habits. I was
clobbered so hard with the words bad, cheat and no when I was first
diagnosed with type 1 that it took 15 years before I'd eat anything in front
of another person with diabetes. I was so bombarded with what not to do that
I couldn't figure out what I could eat. For the most part, I think things
are much more settled down now than they were in the late 80's in this
regard, thank goodness.
For me, it's easy not to drink sodas because I never enjoyed them anyway.
Once a week I go out and meet a friend for a pastry and coffee and it is
very enjoyable. And of course, whatever we choose, we're doing the balancing
act with exercise, meds, stress and you name it. So I try to look at my
total package and every once in awhile I realize that maybe I've tipped a
little bit too far to one side or another and I gently bring myself back.
Guess I'm a child of the sixties but I do believe that whatever choices or
changes we make, if they come from a place of love and self-respect, they'll
stick. And of course, take from the wisdom of your friends and make the best
choice for yourself. <grin>
Okay, rant over now. <grin> 
Dinner, anyone?
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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:21 PM
To: 'Mike Freeman'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

I agree, Mike.  I guess I think clinical and population studies that are
conducted on enough people can be valid, even to physicists and chemists,
and I think there is population evidence indicating that sodas, which are
not necessary to our diets, can, in large quantities, be harmful.  But
that's a quibble, unless you're drinking lots of soda.  Then you need to be
aware of the motto "Everything in moderation," which is a good motto!  

I did want to comment on artificial sweeteners turning into formaldehyde.
That is not at all true.  There was worry with Aspartame during the 25 years
in which it was tested and studied ad nauseum that storing soda made with it
for long periods or in very hot conditions might result in dangerous or
deadly products.  Tests were done to find out, and none was identified.  If
it was a worry, people would probably drop dead after drinking diet sodas.
Like everything else, however, artificial sweeteners are okay "in
moderation."  If you drink lots of diet sodas or eat lots of foods sweetened
with artificial sweeteners, it might be worth taking a look at your diet and
asking yourself "Am I giving myself the food my body needs?"  It's always
worth staying aware of what you eat and drink and how it affects your body.

But there is no reason to fear sodas with either sugar or artificial
sweeteners.  Fit them into your diet in reasonable portions and in
moderation, compensate as necessary with medication and/or insulin, and
enjoy life! 

Sandi

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From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:55 PM
To: 'Bernadette Jacobs'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

With respect, I believe using emotionally-loaded words such as "deadly" or
"poison" does a disservice to this list in that, as with most diets, foods
and supplements, there have been *no* double-blind, pluscebo-controlled
studies/trials in humans (indeed, such may not even be possible) verifying
or disproving the extreme claims as to the harmful (or, for that matter,
beneficial) effects of soda-drinking beyond the obvious observation that
embibing nondiet sodas means one is taking in empty (i.e., no nourishment)
calories and a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates -- ones that diabetics must
either eschew or compensate for in the form of extra insulin intake in order
to stay in diabetic control.
To be sure, there have been some studies which *seem* to indicate that
excess fructose can have adverse effects and other studies which *seem* to
indicate that drinking even diet sodas can cause some weight-gain. However,
no studies that are truly medically valid, i.e., double-blind,
pluscebo-controlled with hundreds of thousands of participants, have been
conducted and so to me the jury is still out. Indeed, I am somewhat
convinced that *no* true diet or nutritional study can be done in such a
rigorous manner that physicists and chemists and perhaps biologists, too,
would unreservedly buy into them.
All other things being equal, it's probably better to avoid excess soda
consumption (indeed, I don't see why so many people find sodas appealing).
But IMO there's no reason to panic and we should remember that there is as
much disinformation as information on the Internet and that the studies we
hear trumpeted every day are publicized as much to swell the budgets of
would-be researchers as to impart real information.

Mike Freeman

P.S. We have hydrochloric acid -- very corrosive -- in our stomachs. Does
this mean we should remove our stomachs because they contain a substance
that, in quantity, burns holes in us?

Cheers!

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Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-talk
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:18 AM
To: Bonnie Lucas; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

For those who put pop/soda on their grocery lsts as a weekly staple, that's
scary.  However, I think the key here is moderation.  I went to Taco Bwell
and had a diet pepsi with lunch.  Can't remember when I had the last pop.  I
don't feel like I'm suicidal because I might only drink a pop once every
several months though.  This does, however, becomes expensive buying it on a
weekly basis.
On 4/24/15, Bonnie Lucas via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am subscribed to this list because I work with diabetics but I am 
> not diabetic. Generally I do not post but I cannot resist this time.
> Personally, I limit my soda products to none a year. Between the sugar 
> and the artificial sweeteners and everything else in soda, I think it 
> is deadly. You may think that is radical but simply cutting them out 
> entirely several years ago, I lost 10 pounds. There is no evidence 
> that
they are helpful to anyone.
> Good luck making your personal decision. I anticipate this post will 
> spark a lot of opposite view posts. I hope there are a few who agree 
> with
me!
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> Hi Folks,
> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:40:03 -0500
> From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
> To: "'Marshall Scott'" <mfscott at me.com>,	"'Diabetes Talk for the
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> If you're going to drink soda, I guess sugar-free is best, at least 
> for diabetics. Note, though, studies are showing diet soda can 
> contribute to belly fat actually. Plus, soda is full of synthetic 
> ingredients. Despite what some say, I also still think too much 
> caffeine is not good. Personally, I limite my soda consumption to no 
> more than 3 a week, and then, it's caffeine-free and of course, 
> sugar-free. Diet A & W or diet Barq's root beer is my favorite.
>
> As for taste, I can not stand Coke products and am probably the wrong 
> person to ask, grin. Coke 0 is sugar-free and calorie and carb-free 
> though, so in terms of it affecting glucose levels, it shouldn't, 
> though I believe some studies are also suggesting artificial sweetners 
> can affect glucose levels in some cases.
>
> Not sure exactly what info you were looking for, sorry.
>
> Bridgit
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> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
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> Hi Folks,
> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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