[Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks

Marshall Scott mfscott at me.com
Fri Apr 24 22:27:24 UTC 2015 

Hi Folks,
Thanks for the responses.  I was hoping for a yes/no response but I guess I shouldn't have.  I really feel that  I can't have anything I like and have to eat things I don't like.  I also have no self-control I guess I'll just keep trying.
Thanks again,
Marshall

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amen, Sandy!
> I think one of the important lessons here could be this. When people attempt
> to educate us and shape our behavior with respect to food, the tendancy is
> to scare, scold and/or give orders. And then they wonder why people are
> labeled as noncompliant. I think it's really important to start with
> learning what has been responsible for pleasure and find a way to address
> the total picture in a way that minimizes the feelings of guilt and denial.
> For me the approaches that seem to help are those that say, your body is
> valuable and deserves good stuff. That and okay, I now have a body that may
> not let me get away with some of my past approaches or habits. I was
> clobbered so hard with the words bad, cheat and no when I was first
> diagnosed with type 1 that it took 15 years before I'd eat anything in front
> of another person with diabetes. I was so bombarded with what not to do that
> I couldn't figure out what I could eat. For the most part, I think things
> are much more settled down now than they were in the late 80's in this
> regard, thank goodness.
> For me, it's easy not to drink sodas because I never enjoyed them anyway.
> Once a week I go out and meet a friend for a pastry and coffee and it is
> very enjoyable. And of course, whatever we choose, we're doing the balancing
> act with exercise, meds, stress and you name it. So I try to look at my
> total package and every once in awhile I realize that maybe I've tipped a
> little bit too far to one side or another and I gently bring myself back.
> Guess I'm a child of the sixties but I do believe that whatever choices or
> changes we make, if they come from a place of love and self-respect, they'll
> stick. And of course, take from the wisdom of your friends and make the best
> choice for yourself. <grin>
> Okay, rant over now. <grin> 
> Dinner, anyone?
> Veronica
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:21 PM
> To: 'Mike Freeman'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> I agree, Mike.  I guess I think clinical and population studies that are
> conducted on enough people can be valid, even to physicists and chemists,
> and I think there is population evidence indicating that sodas, which are
> not necessary to our diets, can, in large quantities, be harmful.  But
> that's a quibble, unless you're drinking lots of soda.  Then you need to be
> aware of the motto "Everything in moderation," which is a good motto!  
> 
> I did want to comment on artificial sweeteners turning into formaldehyde.
> That is not at all true.  There was worry with Aspartame during the 25 years
> in which it was tested and studied ad nauseum that storing soda made with it
> for long periods or in very hot conditions might result in dangerous or
> deadly products.  Tests were done to find out, and none was identified.  If
> it was a worry, people would probably drop dead after drinking diet sodas.
> Like everything else, however, artificial sweeteners are okay "in
> moderation."  If you drink lots of diet sodas or eat lots of foods sweetened
> with artificial sweeteners, it might be worth taking a look at your diet and
> asking yourself "Am I giving myself the food my body needs?"  It's always
> worth staying aware of what you eat and drink and how it affects your body.
> 
> But there is no reason to fear sodas with either sugar or artificial
> sweeteners.  Fit them into your diet in reasonable portions and in
> moderation, compensate as necessary with medication and/or insulin, and
> enjoy life! 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> 
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Freeman via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: 'Bernadette Jacobs'; 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> With respect, I believe using emotionally-loaded words such as "deadly" or
> "poison" does a disservice to this list in that, as with most diets, foods
> and supplements, there have been *no* double-blind, pluscebo-controlled
> studies/trials in humans (indeed, such may not even be possible) verifying
> or disproving the extreme claims as to the harmful (or, for that matter,
> beneficial) effects of soda-drinking beyond the obvious observation that
> embibing nondiet sodas means one is taking in empty (i.e., no nourishment)
> calories and a lot of unnecessary carbohydrates -- ones that diabetics must
> either eschew or compensate for in the form of extra insulin intake in order
> to stay in diabetic control.
> To be sure, there have been some studies which *seem* to indicate that
> excess fructose can have adverse effects and other studies which *seem* to
> indicate that drinking even diet sodas can cause some weight-gain. However,
> no studies that are truly medically valid, i.e., double-blind,
> pluscebo-controlled with hundreds of thousands of participants, have been
> conducted and so to me the jury is still out. Indeed, I am somewhat
> convinced that *no* true diet or nutritional study can be done in such a
> rigorous manner that physicists and chemists and perhaps biologists, too,
> would unreservedly buy into them.
> All other things being equal, it's probably better to avoid excess soda
> consumption (indeed, I don't see why so many people find sodas appealing).
> But IMO there's no reason to panic and we should remember that there is as
> much disinformation as information on the Internet and that the studies we
> hear trumpeted every day are publicized as much to swell the budgets of
> would-be researchers as to impart real information.
> 
> Mike Freeman
> 
> P.S. We have hydrochloric acid -- very corrosive -- in our stomachs. Does
> this mean we should remove our stomachs because they contain a substance
> that, in quantity, burns holes in us?
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
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> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bernadette Jacobs via Diabetes-talk
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:18 AM
> To: Bonnie Lucas; Diabetes Talk for the Blind
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
> 
> For those who put pop/soda on their grocery lsts as a weekly staple, that's
> scary.  However, I think the key here is moderation.  I went to Taco Bwell
> and had a diet pepsi with lunch.  Can't remember when I had the last pop.  I
> don't feel like I'm suicidal because I might only drink a pop once every
> several months though.  This does, however, becomes expensive buying it on a
> weekly basis.
> On 4/24/15, Bonnie Lucas via Diabetes-talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am subscribed to this list because I work with diabetics but I am 
>> not diabetic. Generally I do not post but I cannot resist this time.
>> Personally, I limit my soda products to none a year. Between the sugar 
>> and the artificial sweeteners and everything else in soda, I think it 
>> is deadly. You may think that is radical but simply cutting them out 
>> entirely several years ago, I lost 10 pounds. There is no evidence 
>> that
> they are helpful to anyone.
>> Good luck making your personal decision. I anticipate this post will 
>> spark a lot of opposite view posts. I hope there are a few who agree 
>> with
> me!
>> 
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:11:01 -0600
>> From: Marshall Scott <mfscott at me.com>
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>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
>> 
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>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:40:03 -0500
>> From: "Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter" <bkpollpeter at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Marshall Scott'" <mfscott at me.com>,	"'Diabetes Talk for the
>> 	Blind'" <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
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>> If you're going to drink soda, I guess sugar-free is best, at least 
>> for diabetics. Note, though, studies are showing diet soda can 
>> contribute to belly fat actually. Plus, soda is full of synthetic 
>> ingredients. Despite what some say, I also still think too much 
>> caffeine is not good. Personally, I limite my soda consumption to no 
>> more than 3 a week, and then, it's caffeine-free and of course, 
>> sugar-free. Diet A & W or diet Barq's root beer is my favorite.
>> 
>> As for taste, I can not stand Coke products and am probably the wrong 
>> person to ask, grin. Coke 0 is sugar-free and calorie and carb-free 
>> though, so in terms of it affecting glucose levels, it shouldn't, 
>> though I believe some studies are also suggesting artificial sweetners 
>> can affect glucose levels in some cases.
>> 
>> Not sure exactly what info you were looking for, sorry.
>> 
>> Bridgit
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>> From: Diabetes-talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Marshall Scott via Diabetes-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:11 PM
>> To: the Blind Talk for Diabetes
>> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Coke 0 type drinks
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> I was wondering what you think of Coke 0 type drinks.  My grocery 
>> store has some that are raspberry and lemonade flavored.
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