[Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

Sun Oct 23 21:01:17 UTC 2016

What really sparked some of my comments was attending an event a couple of
weeks ago where box lunches were provided. A woman was attending who was
prescribed this diet called whole foods plant based diet. And I don't mean
the grocery store. <grin> But there was nothing there that she could eat.
She managed to take a sandwich apart and munch a piece of turkey. I suppose
once one has reached a certain level of commitment, perhaps the feeling of
deprivation isn't so strong but I just found it hard to picure on a daily
basis for me. But I've been around long enough never to say never! <grin>
Veronica

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Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:10 PM
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I agree about dieting. I don't believe in dieting. I do believe in making
adjustments to lifestyle and learning to consistently work with a particular
mealplan, whatever that may be for any given person. In all things, I think
balance is key.

I don't know about research, but from personal experience, as a type one
diabetic who is insulin dependent, when I tried Atkins, I found my blood
sugars actually were all over the place, particularly running higher. I had
to incorporate some form of carbs for a balance to my glucose levels. Paleo
does not cut out all carbs, just wheat and grains, so this has worked very
well for me. Again, doesn't mean what works for me will for someone else,
but this has been my personal experience. And again, I have no actual
medical research to back anything up on no-carbs, but this was what happened
for me.

Bridgit

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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

What the research really shows is that nearly any eating pattern you can
maintain can work for you. 

And again, giving up whole groups of food isn't conducive in the long-term
to stable eating and good health. A lot of the research around vegetarian
diets is based on hypotheses about how much better they are for the
environment. 

Having said that, we are adults here, and one can choose to try nearly any
diet, particularly as a well-controlled Type 2. I did Atkins for about two
years. What I found was that the induction phase (to which I added nuts and
berries from Day 1) helped me kick the truly meaningless products we tend to
overeat--foods with lots of sugar and white flour (or other flour, for that
matter), and processed foods like chips, crackers, cereals, etc. 

But I found I'm not willing to skip sweets when they're the basis of a
birthday party, for instance. I decided about 20 years ago that I do not
diet. I eat the foods I truly want at a given meal or snack, in reasonable
portions, and try to balance my eating over time--a week, say--rather than
stick to an inflexible meal plan. 

Occasionally, such as Thursday, I eat chips or crackers or something when
I'm out. Thursday I had homemade corn chips with homemade salsa. I think it
was six or 7 chips and maybe 1/4 cup salsa. Very tasty, and not something I
eat at home more than a time or two a year.

Try making every food available to yourself, picking those foods you really
want to eat, working to balance your meals and snacks with foods you maybe
don't crave but like to keep things healthy, and make feeding yourself so
you're not hungry between times a goal. Remember that you can eat carbs--you
just need to pay attention and not eat too many, and get enough protein and
fat to keep your body satisfied.

The one thing I think is important for people using insulin is to be aware
that you need to be careful about eating very low-carb, particularly if your
body produces no insulin. That's a subject I'm less familiar with, since I
was not a diabetes dietitian, and do not use insulin. 

Balance is important. And remember these are general guidelines, not a
prescription. If you need your personal diet adjusted or help with knowing
exactly how to fit your eating into your lifestyle, please consult a
currently practicing dietitian. 

Sandi

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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

More and more research shows the positive effect of such diets, but again,
if you truly don't have the discipline to follow and just really enjoy
certain foods, it's better to stick to a mealplan you can consistently
follow instead of starting and stopping another.

Personally, I like the Paleo mealplan. I started this this past winter and
stuck with it until I became pregnant. I'm not majorly cheating on it, but
once I have this baby, I plan to go back full on it. Essentially, you cut
out wheat, grains, dairy and refined sugars. You're supposed to eat organic
too, but I just do it as much as possible. Most my carbs come from fruit.
You can do modified versions of Paleo where you keep dairy or certain kind
of grains. I've found cutting out wheat and grains to make a huge difference
with my digestive system and blood sugars. I do have Greek yogurt from
time-to-time too. Personally, I don't find this to be a super restrictive
diet, nor that difficult to follow. But it can take time to adjust. It does
require a little food prep for most meals, but it's not a major problem, in
my opinion.

Bridgit

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Here at our medical clinic, they are pushing this diet as an anti
inflammatory diet. So if you go see a physiatrist for, say, neck pain, you
get put into classes to learn this diet. I'm having a hard time quite buying
it. I can see cutting back on things but total elimination? Not at my house.
<grin>
Veronica

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iTunes, along with other music from her and from the Guide Dog Glee Club. 
To learn more, visit:
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
                Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407

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melconian via Diabetes-Talk
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Sandy good to know. Also anytoher tipsthat you amy have for us.  

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Hi Dave,

As a retired dietitian, I hate any diet that says "no no no no no!" That's
one that will be out the door before you know it! If it doesn't fit your
lifestyle, it won't work, and it's not necessary. If you might like some of
the recipes, try them, and add them to your regular menu. Or you could try
out the diet by having one day a week be vegetarian (not necessarily vegan).
But really, leaving out whole food groups is unnecessary and unsatisfying,
if you ask me. Keep meat portions relatively small, eat your fruits and
veggies, add a little grain and/or potato, and be happy! It's best not to do
things that are wildly different than your normal. Especially when your
diabetes is obviously well-controlled.

Sandi

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Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet

I have a question -- curious to see what people think ... at the risk of
starting a firestorm.

First, let me say, I have very mild type 2 diabetes, A1C of 6.6.

I just read a book by Dr. Neil Barnard, in which he promotes a low fat diet
as a way to combat type 2 diabetes. He says basically, vegan, no red meat,
no poultry, no fish, no dairy, no animal fats, and no eggs.  I can see how
it might work, but would hate giving up my meat!

Dave

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