[Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Sandra Ryan
sjryan2 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 25 20:05:22 UTC 2016
Hi Bridgit,
I didn't think it was. You had said that before. And my comments were not
intended as a direct response to anything you've said, just to provide the
science that tells people there's no good reason to cut out whole food
groups. I believe I also said (and meant) that we are adults and will do
what we'll do. I have, myself, said I followed Atkins for a time and found a
bit of benefit. At one of our DAN meetings I talked about ways to fit in the
diet you like best.
Forgive my dietitian-ness. I'm afraid it's built in.
I'll butt out of this discussion now, having added what I thought needed to
be said for everyone's benefit.
Sandi
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Sandy,
My comment was not an argument for or against Paleo or any other diet. Just
a mere observation made from both research and what I know of most people. I
don't disagree with you, but if going to have a discussion on food and diet,
we all need to be honest and consider every angle.
I mostly started Paleo because I could not drop the remaining 10 pounds from
my pregnancy. I found it to help me take off the extra few pounds in
addition to intensifying my exercise program. Now I'm pregnant again, so I'm
not so hard-core about sticking to Paleo or exercising as frequently as I
was before. But even before doing Paleo, I was a pretty healthy eater, at
least in terms of the type of food I eat. In all honesty, I problem do not
eat enough calories in a day as I should, but when my schedule gets busy, I
tend to eat less. Fortunately for me, I'm not a binger and am used to
ignoring hunger, so I don't typically end up eating more later. I keep to 3
meals, but often small things I can eat quickly, like turkey wraps or an
apple and cheese or a Greek yogurt. I don't always take the time to prepare
a full meal. But when I did Paleo, I did find that cutting out wheat and
grains for me helped with a lot of things, including glucose control. My
endo has been very encouraging of Paleo as well. So once I have this baby, I
plan to try it more intensively again, though like I already have said, I do
keep dairy in and specifically hummus, which is made from legumes.
I'm not a pusher of medication for anything unless absolutely necessary. I
do take a vitamin C yearly, and obviously, now pregnant, I take a daily
vitamin, though it's just a kids vitamin on top of folic acid 3 times a day.
But I do not think supplementing pills can make up for eating whole, fresh
foods. I would never encourage anyone to do this, especially if they think
they are getting the exact same nutrition.
I know vegans who are super healthy. Their yearly doctor visits show they
are in great shape, lacking nothing. They do a vegan diet in the proper way,
making sure to eat as balanced of a diet as possible on a vegan diet. I also
know people who don't cut anything out but keep to a low-carb diet and are
in great health too. It's all about what works for you, and if you can
maintain a lifestyle. It's about personal choices in addition to health. At
the end of the day, if you are in good health, and something works, why
change?
Bridgit
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
That isn't actually true, Bridgit. It has been said over and over, but if an
American eats healthy, we get enough calories and have enough food readily
available (unless we live in "food deserts or are very poor") to get all the
nutrients we need. Because of all the food available to us, we often eat too
much or choose foods that aren't as healthy as they might be, so there may
be people who need a standard multi-vitamin. Generally, though, we are not
malnourished, but overnourished. And many of our manufactured foods have
nutrients added (enriched grains in bread, crackers, cereals, pretzels,
etc.) or are "fortified" with them (Vitamin D in milk products). The reason
for the myth that our diets are lousy and need supplementing comes from the
production of millions of bottles of many supplements developed by
manufacturers ... to make them rich! When a company creates a product, the
first thing they do is develop a market for that product, not with the goal
of making Americans healthier, but with the goal of making their pockets
bulge. And because of the way the laws are currently written, there are no
regulations on supplements as there are on medications. So a person can read
on the Internet "I have found that taking 1,000 times the recommended dose
of this supplement makes me feel young and alive," go to the drugstore and
buy that supplement, and be on their way. That's not exactly what we're
talking about here with multivitamins and such, but it can grow to that.
I guess my biggest question about most diets that are highly restrictive and
cut out whole food groups is why? What does one gain by doing that? I have
the same question about "health foods" that are manufactured to be low in
fat, or sometimes, low in sugar. Why? It makes so much more sense to eat the
foods (all the foods) you love and eat them in smaller portions than to buy
manufactured foods and supplements to make up for the foods you cut out. In
the case of the Paleo diet, you're cuttting out two classes of foods, whole
grains and legumes, that are packed with nutrition and of which small
amounts could provide a fair amount of what you eat. If you don't like those
foods, certainly there are other foods that can provide those
nutrients--beans (legumes) are an excellent meat equivalent--but if you eat
both meat and legumes, you get more variety and thus more nutrition. The
reason for specifying whole grains is that they have their natural
nutrients, instead of having those nutrients milled out then added back as
synthetics.
The exceptions to my supplement rant are: While you are pregnant or nursing
you need a multivitamin specific to a pregnant woman. That's because you are
not only feeding yourself but your fetus, and it would be hard to eat enough
for both of you. During this time, you also need more calories.
People who do not get sun frequently enough (10-15 minutes several days a
week) and/or don't use dairy products, need Vitamin D. And likely calcium,
since as I said, there is some calcium in veggies, but not enough. And
calcium and Vitamin D work together, so it's good to supplement them that
way.
And if your diet is really horrible--no veggies or fruits, mostly
lower-quality foods (fast-food every day), take a multivitamin. It can't
hurt and might help. The problem is, it won't make your diet better, which
is the only thing that can make you truly healthier.
So there's the science.
Does it change anything? It doesn't have to. We act mostly on our beliefs,
which may be valid or not, but they are ours. I have things I do because I
believe them, too, even knowing they're not true. But thanks for indulging
me to tell the truth about eating and especially, about supplements. Some
work, most don't, and what you get in that bottle often isn't what you
expect, because of the complete lack of regulation. In fresh foods, you can
know pretty much what you're getting, and there is even more regulation of
foods than of supplements, so you can be surer of foods than supplements
anyway.
Now you can choose what to eat and what to supplement or skip, and you can
do it knowing the science behind the truth.
Sandi
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Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Very few people, even those who eat healthy, get the adequate amount of
nutrition in a day. Most of us should probably be on daily vitamins in order
to receive proper nutrition, smile.
Bridgit
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
There is some calcium in some of the vegetables. Probably not enough,
though. I haven't read about Paleo lately, but some of the diets recommend
taking a multivitamin each day that contains 100-150 percent of each
vitamin's RDA, and taking a calcium supplement with Vitamin D
(cholecalciferol, not ergocalciferol) to make sure you get all the nutrients
you need.
Sandi
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Not sure, but it would be the same for someone doing vegan, or if you have
allergies to dairy.
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
How is this diet for calcium. My inclusion of Greek yogurt and cheese has
stopped my rheumatologist from threatening me with calcium pills. Now I'll
have to hit Google. <grin> Thanks for the info.
Veronica
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Fortunately for me, I'm not a coffee drinker, grin.
Bridgit
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Give up coffee? That's an essential food, especially if it comes from
Starbucks or Tim Horton's, the coffee shop up here in northern Maine. LOL.
Mark Tardif
Nuclear arms will not hold you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:04 PM
To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
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Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Bern,
If you Google Paleo diet, a ton pops up.
Basically, you cut out grains, wheat, dairy, refined sugar, legumes, and
technically you eat all organic. People do modified versions of Paleo, like
some still include dairy, or some will still have wheat and grains at times,
though you should limit them even on a modified version. A majority of carbs
will come from fruit and some veggies like sweet potatoes. You should avoid
or sparingly use regular potatoes. Typically you also cut out soda and coffe
and tea unless herbal, though, again, if doing modified version, you can
have these things from time-to-time. And if you can't do organic for
everything, that's okay.
It's not as difficult to implement as you think. I found it overwhelming at
first, as I researched it, but once I started, it was not so difficult.
I do a modified version as I still do Greek yogurt at times and hummus,
which is made from legumes.
An example of my daily meals may be 2 eggs cooked in coconut oil and a
banana with turkey sausage for breakfast. For lunch, grilled chicken with a
dry rub, lettuce salad with olive oil and red vinegar home-made dressing and
veggie chips. Dinner may be more grilled meat or a lettuce wrap sandwhich,
carrot fries baked in coconut oil and another salad. Snacks are nuts and
seeds, fruit and veggies, Larabars, etc. A lot of Paleo recipes are online.
My picky son and husband enjoy a lot of the recipes I have found.
Bridgit
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Cc: Bernadette Jacobs <bernienfb75 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
Good Evening Everyone:
Sandi and Veronica, I'm with you both. I would say with whatever I eat, I
seem to operate similarly with the two of you. However, I do have a niece
who is on the Paleo thing. For what I've heard, I find interesting. I'd
actually like to learn more if someone could explain to me. My niece tried
to send me a link but I couldn't seem to pull it up for whatever reason.
Brigit, Maybe you and I can topuch base sometime. I'd really like to learn.
Have a wonderful, restful evening Bill and I are going to retire for the
evening very soon here.
Bern
On 10/23/16, Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> What really sparked some of my comments was attending an event a
> couple of weeks ago where box lunches were provided. A woman was
> attending who was prescribed this diet called whole foods plant based
> diet. And I don't mean the grocery store. <grin> But there was nothing
there that she could eat.
> She managed to take a sandwich apart and munch a piece of turkey. I
> suppose once one has reached a certain level of commitment, perhaps
> the feeling of deprivation isn't so strong but I just found it hard to
> picure on a daily basis for me. But I've been around long enough never
> to say never! <grin> Veronica
>
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
> Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:10 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> I agree about dieting. I don't believe in dieting. I do believe in
> making adjustments to lifestyle and learning to consistently work with
> a particular mealplan, whatever that may be for any given person. In
> all things, I think balance is key.
>
> I don't know about research, but from personal experience, as a type
> one diabetic who is insulin dependent, when I tried Atkins, I found my
> blood sugars actually were all over the place, particularly running
> higher. I had to incorporate some form of carbs for a balance to my
> glucose levels. Paleo does not cut out all carbs, just wheat and
> grains, so this has worked very well for me. Again, doesn't mean what
> works for me will for someone else, but this has been my personal
> experience. And again, I have no actual medical research to back
> anything up on no-carbs, but this was what happened for me.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:08 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> What the research really shows is that nearly any eating pattern you
> can maintain can work for you.
>
> And again, giving up whole groups of food isn't conducive in the
> long-term to stable eating and good health. A lot of the research
> around vegetarian diets is based on hypotheses about how much better
> they are for the environment.
>
> Having said that, we are adults here, and one can choose to try nearly
> any diet, particularly as a well-controlled Type 2. I did Atkins for
> about two years. What I found was that the induction phase (to which I
> added nuts and berries from Day 1) helped me kick the truly
> meaningless products we tend to overeat--foods with lots of sugar and
> white flour (or other flour, for that matter), and processed foods
> like chips, crackers, cereals, etc.
>
> But I found I'm not willing to skip sweets when they're the basis of a
> birthday party, for instance. I decided about 20 years ago that I do
> not diet. I eat the foods I truly want at a given meal or snack, in
> reasonable portions, and try to balance my eating over time--a week,
> say--rather than stick to an inflexible meal plan.
>
> Occasionally, such as Thursday, I eat chips or crackers or something
> when I'm out. Thursday I had homemade corn chips with homemade salsa.
> I think it was six or 7 chips and maybe 1/4 cup salsa. Very tasty, and
> not something I eat at home more than a time or two a year.
>
> Try making every food available to yourself, picking those foods you
> really want to eat, working to balance your meals and snacks with
> foods you maybe don't crave but like to keep things healthy, and make
> feeding yourself so you're not hungry between times a goal. Remember
> that you can eat carbs--you just need to pay attention and not eat too
> many, and get enough protein and fat to keep your body satisfied.
>
> The one thing I think is important for people using insulin is to be
> aware that you need to be careful about eating very low-carb,
> particularly if your body produces no insulin. That's a subject I'm
> less familiar with, since I was not a diabetes dietitian, and do not
> use insulin.
>
> Balance is important. And remember these are general guidelines, not a
> prescription. If you need your personal diet adjusted or help with
> knowing exactly how to fit your eating into your lifestyle, please
> consult a currently practicing dietitian.
>
> Sandi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:23 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> More and more research shows the positive effect of such diets, but
> again, if you truly don't have the discipline to follow and just
> really enjoy certain foods, it's better to stick to a mealplan you can
> consistently follow instead of starting and stopping another.
>
> Personally, I like the Paleo mealplan. I started this this past winter
> and stuck with it until I became pregnant. I'm not majorly cheating on
> it, but once I have this baby, I plan to go back full on it.
> Essentially, you cut out wheat, grains, dairy and refined sugars.
> You're supposed to eat organic too, but I just do it as much as possible.
Most my carbs come from fruit.
> You can do modified versions of Paleo where you keep dairy or certain
> kind of grains. I've found cutting out wheat and grains to make a huge
> difference with my digestive system and blood sugars. I do have Greek
> yogurt from time-to-time too. Personally, I don't find this to be a
> super restrictive diet, nor that difficult to follow. But it can take
> time to adjust. It does require a little food prep for most meals, but
> it's not a major problem, in my opinion.
>
> Bridgit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Veronica Elsea via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:06 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Veronica Elsea <veronica at laurelcreekmusic.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Here at our medical clinic, they are pushing this diet as an anti
> inflammatory diet. So if you go see a physiatrist for, say, neck pain,
> you get put into classes to learn this diet. I'm having a hard time
> quite buying it. I can see cutting back on things but total
> elimination? Not at my house.
> <grin>
> Veronica
>
>
> "Guide Dogs, First Hand", Veronica Elsea's classic album is now
> available on iTunes, along with other music from her and from the
> Guide Dog Glee Club.
> To learn more, visit:
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of g melconian via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind'
> Cc: g melconian
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Sandy good to know. Also anytoher tipsthat you amy have for us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diabetes-Talk [mailto:diabetes-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Sandra Ryan via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: 'Diabetes Talk for the Blind' <diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sandra Ryan <sjryan2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> As a retired dietitian, I hate any diet that says "no no no no no!"
> That's one that will be out the door before you know it! If it doesn't
> fit your lifestyle, it won't work, and it's not necessary. If you
> might like some of the recipes, try them, and add them to your regular
> menu. Or you could try out the diet by having one day a week be
> vegetarian (not necessarily vegan).
> But really, leaving out whole food groups is unnecessary and
> unsatisfying, if you ask me. Keep meat portions relatively small, eat
> your fruits and veggies, add a little grain and/or potato, and be
> happy! It's best not to do things that are wildly different than your
> normal. Especially when your diabetes is obviously well-controlled.
>
> Sandi
>
>
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> Behalf Of David Andrews via Diabetes-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 1:31 PM
> To: diabetes-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: David Andrews
> Subject: [Diabetes-talk] Different Diet
>
> I have a question -- curious to see what people think ... at the risk
> of starting a firestorm.
>
> First, let me say, I have very mild type 2 diabetes, A1C of 6.6.
>
> I just read a book by Dr. Neil Barnard, in which he promotes a low fat
> diet as a way to combat type 2 diabetes. He says basically, vegan, no
> red meat, no poultry, no fish, no dairy, no animal fats, and no eggs.
> I can see how it might work, but would hate giving up my meat!
>
> Dave
>
>
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