[Dtb-talk] converting Victor Reader Stream Note files
Grover Zinn
grover.zinn at oberlin.edu
Wed Feb 17 05:15:54 UTC 2010
Dear James,
I'm not interested in playing them on an NLS player. I'm interested
in getting them converted to .mp3 or another format that can be read
by other media players.
Thanks for the information, however, which may well come in very handy
in the future. The new NLS player just arrived so we are in the
learning stages.
best
Grover
Grover Zinn
William H. Danforth Professor of Religion, emeritus
former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences
Oberlin College
Oberlin, OH 44074
grover.zinn at oberlin.edu
On Feb 16, 2010, at 6:56 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
> Hello Grover and list,
>
> If you are playing the Stream's .3gp audio file format on an NLS
> player, you need not convert the files. The audio .3gp file format
> plays nicely on the NLs player. You can place those files in the
> root directory of a thumb drive or cartridge I'm pretty certain is
> the case if the file is on the media by itself. If this audio file
> is included with other books, it will need to be in a folder called
> audio+podcasts and read this letter by letter. This is true whether
> we discuss .3gp, .mp3 or .wpa files or any other file types the NLS
> player will work with. Text files requiring a TTS engine will not
> work.
>
> My wife was considering sending some recipes to a friend on an NLs
> cartridge. I told her she would need to record the recipe in her
> own voice so it would play on the player. I became curious so
> recorded two note files which played beautifully on the advanced NLS
> player. I could navigate to each file with no problems. Those audio
> files I recorded were the only files in the root of my thumb drive
> at the time.
>
> I haven't heard this discussed since I've been on this list so
> thought I'd discuss my observations. I'm certain this is old hat to
> you veterans to this new technology.
>
> HTH and thanks for reading!
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grover Zinn" <grover.zinn at oberlin.edu
> >
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:50 AM
> Subject: [Dtb-talk] converting Victor Reader Stream Note files
>
>
>> Mention of converting VR Stream note files leads me to ask a
>> question:
>>
>> I use a Mac, which means I cannot use the companion software
>> (unless I also run Windows on the Mac, which I would prefer not to
>> do).
>>
>> Does anyone know of aMac utility that will convert the notes files
>> to MP3 files? I've looked but had no luck
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any information.
>>
>> Grover Zinn
>>
>> Grover Zinn
>> Oberlin, OH 44074
>> grover.zinn at oberlin.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Hyde, David W. (ESC) wrote:
>>
>>> I have not found much that really needs the companion software,
>>> except for converting note files to MP# files. Windows has the
>>> zip and unzip utility built in.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk- bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> ] On Behalf Of Rob Tabor
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:15 PM
>>> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Players
>>>
>>> I have the HumanWare companion package and don't remember seeing
>>> a zip or unzip feature. This is news to me. Where do you find
>>> these features?
>>> Just curious
>>> Rob "RockChalk Jayhawk" Tabor
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lynn Evans" <evans-lynn at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Players
>>>
>>>
>>>> I use the HumanWare companion software to unzip and transfer my
>>>> books
>>>> to flash drives and cartridges.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 5:55 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Players
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes we are using them in Western Australia on the east coast
>>>>> they use
>>>>> CDs.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have found that we can use small USB SD card readers and plug
>>>>> VictorReader Stream SD cards into the NLS players and they will
>>>>> find
>>>>> the books even if there are several VR Stream folders on the card.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregory Kearney
>>>>> Manager - Accessible Media
>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>>>>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>>>>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>>>>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>>>>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>>>>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2010, at 5:00 AM, James Aldrich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are you folks in Australia using the cartridges as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use a Victor Stream and the NLS Player and I'm very happy
>>>>>> with both!
>>>>>> The player will last over 29 hours on a charge according to the
>>>>>> information key where the stream lasts 15 hours on a good
>>>>>> battery.
>>>>>> I think the battery in my stream could be going down now but I'll
>>>>>> use it till I only get minutes on a charge. I also like the tone
>>>>>> quality of the player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Aldrich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney"
>>>>>> <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 12:44 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Players
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But we should remember who we are serving. OVer 80% of our
>>>>>>> clients
>>>>>>> here, and we are typical, are over the age of 70 many have lost
>>>>>>> their sight in the recent past and do not have either access
>>>>>>> to or
>>>>>>> even the means to obtain extensive rehabilitation. They will
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> be downloading books form the internet. They can not even
>>>>>>> handle SD
>>>>>>> cards well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We use VictorReader Streams (Library Editions) here for some
>>>>>>> of our
>>>>>>> clients but other require a robust simple and loud player with
>>>>>>> simple controls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I have been known to be critical of some of the
>>>>>>> decisions the
>>>>>>> NLS made on the matter of the form factor of the drives and
>>>>>>> player
>>>>>>> I think they were right on the mark. We have been very happy
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> that aspect of the program that we adopted here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gregory Kearney
>>>>>>> Manager - Accessible Media
>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>>>>>>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101
>>>>>>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202
>>>>>>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America)
>>>>>>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696
>>>>>>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only)
>>>>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/02/2010, at 3:21 PM, Rakesh Chand wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose, with all the new technology people are generally
>>>>>>>> looking for smaller compact gadgets so, we from the blindness
>>>>>>>> community need to perhaps, catch-up. Let's forget about
>>>>>>>> cassettes
>>>>>>>> let's put our focus on MP-4 or MP-3 players USB-drives etc etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally can have a desk-top at home & I don't have one,
>>>>>>>> because, I like to have something that is more mobile & more
>>>>>>>> accessible. I'm really fancying to have a V-stream as
>>>>>>>> currently,
>>>>>>>> I've a Note-book but, my wife keeps reminding me how bulky
>>>>>>>> the old V-stream looked like...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So all in all, we blind folks need to be in the community
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> than shying away... People who have vision fancy small
>>>>>>>> compact stuff!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But hey yes, Valerie has a point to be noted. Trust you all
>>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>> beautiful day!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a great evening!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rakesh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Lewis"
>>>>>>>> <vlewis at suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-
>>>>>>>> talk at nfbnet.org>;
>>>>>>>> "Tim Gillett" <tim.gillett at optusnet.com.au>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] NLS Digital Players
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aditionally, the National Library Service program is
>>>>>>>>> designed for
>>>>>>>>> people with physical disabilities who cannot hold a book or
>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>> pages. The cartridges can be used more easily than the
>>>>>>>>> microscopic electronics that are commercially available.
>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>> with dexterity problems can grab/grasp/hold the NLS cartridges
>>>>>>>>> and can use the larger buttons on the NLS DTB machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Valerie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010, Tim Gillett <tim.gillett at optusnet.com.au
>>>>>>>>> > said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "NLS does not provide blank cartridges or thumb drives.
>>>>>>>>>> They are in the business of providing books preloaded on
>>>>>>>>>> cartridges
>>>>>>>>>> - in the way that they have provided cassettes."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes it's easy to forget the whole purpose of the NLS larger
>>>>>>>>>> cartridge housing is to make it easy for the Print
>>>>>>>>>> handicapped
>>>>>>>>>> to read books.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the downsides of the miniaturisation of electronics
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> been its effect on the blind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The compact cassette was still reasonably large enough for
>>>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>>>> use by the blind. Whereas on the modern flash card there is
>>>>>>>>>> usually not enough room for adequate braille or printed
>>>>>>>>>> labelling for example, let alone reliably inserting such
>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>> media into a player.
>>>>>>>>>> And what if the blind person drops a tiny memory card? How do
>>>>>>>>>> they find it again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Similarly players with tiny control buttons and tiny screens
>>>>>>>>>> make them almost impossible to use, especially for the
>>>>>>>>>> elderly
>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I came across this many times with the blind here in WA when
>>>>>>>>>> cassettes were the current format and here in WA. but clients
>>>>>>>>>> had to find their own cassette player.
>>>>>>>>>> The old "shoebox" cassette player with its large piano key
>>>>>>>>>> operation was fairly easy for most blind to use.
>>>>>>>>>> But once it started to disappear from the market and was
>>>>>>>>>> replaced by smaller, more fiddly Walkmans the blind
>>>>>>>>>> struggled to
>>>>>>>>>> use these players.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm pleased to see the designers of the NLS player
>>>>>>>>>> specified a
>>>>>>>>>> largish cartridge even though it only contains a small memory
>>>>>>>>>> stick inside. This is practical for the blind, however
>>>>>>>>>> antiquated and "uncool" it might appear by sighted people's
>>>>>>>>>> standards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Similarly it's pleasing in the NLS DTB to see other features
>>>>>>>>>> carried over from the old TBC1 players such as internal
>>>>>>>>>> speaker,
>>>>>>>>>> rechargeable battery, variable speed control, automatic power
>>>>>>>>>> down etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's important we stay real and remember the many blind
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> in their homes who have to use these devices.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Gillett
>>>>>>>>>> Audio/Electronics Technician
>>>>>>>>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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