[Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?

Dornetta dornetta at gmail.com
Sun Jul 31 19:07:35 UTC 2011 

THANKS GREG :-) MUCH APPRECIATED!!
"Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?


> DaisyWorn ca be bought from the iTunes app store by anyone for $5 
> Australiian (about $5.50 in U.S. Dollars)
>
> DaisyWorm will read any unprotected audio or text/audio Daisy book. This 
> includes books from the following libraries:
>
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
> Vision Australia
> Malaysian Association for the Blind
> Royal New Zealand foundation for the Blind
> CNIB (Canada)
> RNIB (United Kingdom)
> TPB (Sweden)
> TBLSA (South Africa)
> As well as most European talking book libraries.
>
> DaisyWorm will not play books from the following
>
> National Library Service (United States)
> RFB&D ( they offer their own app)
> Bookshare.org
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Greg Kearney
> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>
> On 31/07/2011, at 12:31 PM, "Dornetta" <dornetta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow Greg! Is that worm available to "average Joe's" like myself? I am 
>> really 'new' to the entire DAISEY avenue but would like to know if more 
>> information is available and/or how can I access it. If possible please 
>> contact me off list at dornetta at gmail.com
>> Netta
>> "Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" <gkearney at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>
>>
>>> We wrote an iPhone app DaisyWorm which can read the DAISY/NISO 2002 
>>> format which the NLS uses. We contacted the NLS and offered to make that 
>>> software work with their books they never replied to us.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney
>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia
>>>
>>> On 31/07/2011, at 7:58 AM, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, no iphone player for NLS books.
>>>>
>>>> Various rumors say that NLS might be working on something, but nobody
>>>> knows if it's true nor when such a thing might be released.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 07:47:36PM -0400, Dornetta wrote:
>>>>> Hello all:
>>>>> I have been monitoring this convo for a while and would like to 
>>>>> ask...does
>>>>> NLS has a app for the iPhone?
>>>>> I find that while enjoying books via the DTBM is a +, it becomes a 
>>>>> nuisence
>>>>> when travel is thrown into the mix. :-( I am saying that this is an 
>>>>> "bad"
>>>>> concept or thing but useing the VR Stream/DTBM vs. the iPhone allows 
>>>>> for
>>>>> more portibility. What a great concept if this was possible :-)
>>>>> Netta
>>>>> "Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie 
>>>>> Wonder
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Evans" 
>>>>> <evans-lynn at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think NLS has a few more patrons then you do Down Under.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also you have a central location and NLS has regional libraries 
>>>>>> spread
>>>>>> throughout the 50 states.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only are the cartridges right protected, according to my library 
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> in Florida each cartridge with a book has the firmware on it for the 
>>>>>> NLS
>>>>>> player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" 
>>>>>> <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:05 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well as I said we went a different rout here. We assigned the 
>>>>>>> cartridge
>>>>>>> to the user and not the book. We then developed software that reads 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> unique serial number tied to each cartridge and then erases and lads
>>>>>>> that users next set of books.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This achieves several things:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. No book is ever "put of stock" as we do not store copies on a 
>>>>>>> self
>>>>>>> but rather on a server.
>>>>>>> 2. We need only about 2 cartridges per user this reducing the number 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> cartridge required.
>>>>>>> 3. We reduce the number of packages that go out in the mails by 
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> several books on a drive.
>>>>>>> 4. We no longer need a big room filled up with shelves for books.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result our drives are not write protected and as of yet that 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> never been an issue for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>>>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park 
>>>>>>> WA
>>>>>>> 6100
>>>>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>>>>>> Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/07/2011, at 11:50 AM, Lynn Evans wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please allow me to chime or clang in on this subject.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cartridges are indeed flash drives in a different form that is 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a cartridge with a big finger hole on one end and the USB connector 
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the other end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cable used to connect a blank cartridge to the computer is a
>>>>>>>> standard USB extension cable. The cable will be able to connect one
>>>>>>>> end to the other end like a necklace. I have been told these cables
>>>>>>>> can be found in the Dollar Store for you guessed it a dollar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NLS did not choose to use flash drives or even smaller flash cards
>>>>>>>> because of the dexterity issues that some patrons would have with
>>>>>>>> working with small objects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The use of a flash card reader along with a flash card is 
>>>>>>>> problematic
>>>>>>>> at best. NLS has recommended during the BARD pilot phrase that 
>>>>>>>> flash
>>>>>>>> cards not be used with the NLS digital players. Some may have 
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>> some success in their use. Others have reported slow access of data
>>>>>>>> transfer from card to player causing the player to loose its place 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is a waist of human resources and librarian's time for them to 
>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>> at a computer all day erasing cartridges and then replacing the 
>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>> with newly requested books from NLS patrons.   NLS has contracted 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a company to load books, mass produce books and ship them out to 
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> regional libraries. Like the audio cassettes the cartridges are 
>>>>>>>> kept
>>>>>>>> in their blue shipping boxes ready to be pulled off the library
>>>>>>>> shelves, affixed with the patron's address card and mailed out. 
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> would be the point of fixing the cartridges so they can not be 
>>>>>>>> erased
>>>>>>>> only to have the librarians replace the books with other books on 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same cartridge?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Kearney" 
>>>>>>>> <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:18 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] The Physical Cartridges themselves?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be possible to build an SD card reader into the housing 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> a NSL Drive. We have considered building such a thing but right 
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> the drives are less expensive and you have to have a really BIG
>>>>>>>>> order to justify all the plastic production work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>>>>>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria 
>>>>>>>>> Park
>>>>>>>>> WA 6100
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>>>>>>>> Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>>>>>>>> Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2011, at 1:31 AM, Eric SS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul, good question. It would be interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was just wondering why the blank cartridges we can buy are
>>>>>>>>>> limited to 1 or
>>>>>>>>>> 2GB. Also, why couldn't there be an empty cartridge so that we
>>>>>>>>>> could insert
>>>>>>>>>> an SD card of whatever capacity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Curious minds keep us from getting work done...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eric SS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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