[Dtb-talk] digital player information

James Aldrich jajkaldrich at gmail.com
Thu Sep 22 16:08:45 UTC 2011 

Hi again Jim and list, More than likely, the content

It really depends on the content I wish to have on both machines.  More than 
likely, the shared content between the two machines would be NLS content. 
Should the Stream battery discharge, I can move the SD card to the BPP and 
visa versa!  I have been saying all along that the Stream has a very 
paticular directory structure.  It won't play content unless such content is 
the proper file type as daisy, MP3, audible etc.  These must be placed in 
their proper folders.  The BPP isn't as fussy!  It seems to find files with 
little effort.  I recorded a note from the stream and the BPP found it in 
what it called a music folder maybe a music one folder.  The note was called 
an album.  It played just fine even though it was a .3gp file.  I think it 
is gradifying to me to know it can be done if I need to juggle files about 
at times.  It may not be done often, but it can be done!  This is especially 
true if I backup a file to an NLS cartridge for someone to hear.  Either 
machine can have a playable file on an NLS cartridge but I think it is 
easier to place the file on the cartridge with the BPP than the Stream.  I'm 
still playing with some of this stuff but I feel the BPP does a better job 
of seeking out files and playing them than does the Stream.  If everything 
is in the stream's directory structure, all is well.  It really depends on 
the user!  I'm pleased with both machines!

Jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information


>I agree if you move the files to the $VRMusic, $VRPodcasts,
> $VROtherBooks, or even $VRNotes folders they would play.  The point is
> you have to move them.
>
> Sorry, my part in this thread feels like it jumped the shark.  My
> question was simply how often do you find yourself wanting to play
> content on both the stream and the pocket/bookport plus, especially
> given the constraints I mentioned earlier.
>
> Jim
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 08:33:45AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>> I'll play with this but I'll bet if these are placed in the music folder,
>> they would play!  I'll check on this!  I'll record a note on the stream 
>> and
>> move it to BPP and see if it plays.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>
>>
>> >Howdy,
>> >
>> >FYI: I'm assuming the bookport plus will play 3gp files, since that's
>> >the type of audio BARD uses for NLS talking books.
>> >
>> >Therefore, I assume anything recorded on the stream will play fine on
>> >the bookport plus.  But, since the stream won't be able to find files
>> >recorded on by the bookport plus, it won't be able to  play them.
>> >
>> >Jim
>> >
>> >On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:11:40PM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>> >>Hello!
>> >>
>> >>I haven't gone that far to determine all of this for certain!  I do 
>> >>know
>> >>the
>> >>BPP played music files my wife had on a card with no problems.  If one
>> >>has
>> >>the soft pack, one can record MP3 files with the stream and if these 
>> >>end
>> >>up
>> >>in a music folder, the BPP could probably play them Of course, the BPP
>> >>can't
>> >>play the 3gp or whatever it is files to my knowlege but then, I haven't
>> >>gone
>> >>that far!
>> >>
>> >>As for playing books, I usually try to stop at the end of a chapter.  I
>> >>then
>> >>place the SD card in my BPP and find the chapter and all is well!  If
>> >>this
>> >>isn't possible, I try to see how much time has elapsed in the book and 
>> >>I
>> >>then forward to that time in my BPP.  I've done this between my Stream
>> >>and
>> >>NLS player often!  There are any nuymber of ways to deal with this type
>> >>of
>> >>situation!  Then again, one could put books on more than one card, 
>> >>thumb
>> >>drive or cartridge.  It is easy to backup both ways with the BPP.  I
>> >>don't
>> >>consider this problematic!
>> >>
>> >>Jim
>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>> >>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:26 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Jim,
>> >>>
>> >>>I'm curious when this feature is useful to you.
>> >>>
>> >>>Your place isn't remembered between the two devices.  So, if you start
>> >>>reading a book on the stream, and then continue reading it on the
>> >>>book port plus, you'll have to refind your place.  The same is true in
>> >>>the other direction.
>> >>>
>> >>>Also, if you record something on the BPP, the stream won't be able
>> >>>to play it.
>> >>>
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>Jim
>> >>>
>> >>>On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 08:19:30AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>> >>>>Hi Mike, Tina and all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I do like the fact that I can put SD cards from my Victor Reader 
>> >>>>Stream
>> >>>>into
>> >>>>my Book Port Plus and play the content.  The Book Port Plus isn't as
>> >>>>particular about the directory structure so the device manages to 
>> >>>>find
>> >>>>digital content no matter where it is!  That has been my experience! 
>> >>>>I
>> >>>>don't have to move files between the two devices.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> >>>>To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 PM
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Good evaluation!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Mike
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> >>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>On
>> >>>>>Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:37 AM
>> >>>>>To: Dale Leavens; Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I would agree that the stream is a better device, some specifics
>> >>>>>below.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>* I've never seen software stability issues with the stream.  It 
>> >>>>>will,
>> >>>>> once a year or so for me, corrupt its internal database and need to
>> >>>>> be reset.  This is a minor issue, despite how it sounds <smile>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>* The stream is a much better book reader, feeling much more
>> >>>>> comfortable and intuitive than the pocket.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>* The pocket does do wifi.  However, there is no web browser.  This
>> >>>>> means that you can't use it with any public facing wifi, such as at
>> >>>>> a starbucks.  This is because there's no way to enter a password, 
>> >>>>> or
>> >>>>> agree to terms of service.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>* The pocket is a much better recorder.  If you're looking for a way
>> >>>>> to organize class recordings, have books read, etc. then the pocket
>> >>>>> becomes much more attractive.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>* I would also have a look at the book port plus from APH.  They 
>> >>>>>took
>> >>>>> the Pocket and redid much of its firmware.  So, the commands are
>> >>>>> different, and the features changed slightly.  I like the Book Port
>> >>>>> more than the pocket, and I like the stream better than either.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Hope this helps,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jim
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Dale Leavens wrote:
>> >>>>>>All you say is true from my perspective too. The Stream has a 
>> >>>>>>better
>> >>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>louder speaker as well however we have some software stability 
>> >>>>>>issues
>> >>>>>>with
>> >>>>>>the Stream. Just recently when copying DAISY content from CNIB 
>> >>>>>>discs
>> >>>>>>apparently works but the book does not appear in the bookshelf. 
>> >>>>>>When
>> >>>>>>attempting to copy it again one is prompted to overwrite the book
>> >>>>>>which
>> >>>>>>apparently isn't there and doing so doesn't put it there either.
>> >>>>>>There
>> >>>>>seems
>> >>>>>>to be issues around how the directory works and is organized. So 
>> >>>>>>far
>> >>>>>>I
>> >>>>>have
>> >>>>>>not seen this sort of trouble with the PlexTalk Pocket. I do wish 
>> >>>>>>it
>> >>>>>>had
>> >>>>>>a
>> >>>>>>more robust sound though and a better protective case for when I am
>> >>>>>wearing
>> >>>>>>it about my work in the shop and gardens.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Dale leavens.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrews, David B (DEED)"
>> >>>>>><david.b.andrews at state.mn.us>
>> >>>>>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:16 PM
>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>They are similar devices, they do many of the same things  -- they
>> >>>>>>>both
>> >>>>>>>have their strengths and weaknesses.  Personally I think the 
>> >>>>>>>Stream
>> >>>>is >>>a
>> >>>>>>>better DAISY book player, its algorithms for speeding up a book
>> >>>>>>>without
>> >>>>>>>changing the pitch are better, and it has very good battery life,
>> >>>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>well thought out, and easy to use.  The Pocket is thinner and
>> >>>>>>>lighter,
>> >>>>>>>is
>> >>>>>>>probably a better recorder, and can now be connected for some 
>> >>>>>>>things
>> >>>>>>>via
>> >>>>>>>Wifi.  I don't find it as easy to use, and battery life isn't as
>> >>>>>>>good,
>> >>>>>but
>> >>>>>>>smaller.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>So, it depends on what is important to you!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Dave
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>>>>>>On
>> >>>>>>>Behalf Of Sarah
>> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:41 AM
>> >>>>>>>To: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >>>>>>>Subject: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Hello. I have been using a Victor Reader stream for several years. 
>> >>>>>>>I
>> >>>>>would
>> >>>>>>>like to know the difference between the stream and the PlexTalk
>> >>>>>>>Pocket.
>> >>>>>>>Thank you.
>> >>>>>>>   Sarah
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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